..no, when not on the pitch it is down to all managers to keep the players as healthy and prepared for everything that they can, but when on the pitch the manager cannot then be responsible for the players actual deciding behaviour and decision making, hence you can get players noticeably improving on the pitch and others not so and some appearing worse from previous game.

They are not as fit, sharp o focused. The players do not decide the levels required. That bloke managing them does. But you keep defending him. You'll be defending him next October with a banker at home v Barnsley after 7 wins in 2017.

COYP

I asked my swans-fan friend, he only wants Benteke and Zaha. (But he hates toon players and Pardew). I won't post what he said about the rest, but let's just say he thinks they are under-performing this year. The only one I could debate him on was MacArthur because he didn't know he's added goals this year.

Co-worker here likes Sunderland (god knows why). He only wanted Benteke. Claimed Zaha was a whiny ManU reject and the rest were old or Championship material. But he thinks his squad are tops and Moyes is the Messiah. Good to know other fans are equally deluded about their teams.

I don't know these teams squad well, but I reckon all 4 teams have better LB options than Kelly and Fryers.

..so you are admitting that the players who are all fully grown up and professional in their chosen sport do not understand or know how to keep themselves fit and able to be able to play bloody football without having to be told whilst having their hands held what to eat drink and when to take a s***, A player who appears unfit is one that I haven't actually witnessed at our club yet this season, perhaps Sako last season.

So you want Pardew shooting because he is allowing the players to be not fit on the pitch, I would imagine that it's every single players dying wish to be as fit as they can...considering they are more or less self employed and in the shop window every time they play, they are being paid to perform, they don't have the same feelings we have towards our club, imagine being told to support Everton from now and forget all about Palace.....Bolasie did, very happily.

I don't wish to have these moments with you Mr Rudi as I can see your obviously like me and very keen to see our club survive and kick every other club to hell, I feel we will survive and that this team is going to kick arse very soon.

Fvck sake can't you grasp the manager and coaches design and plan training and fitness training? That slips, focus, application and results slip.

You either get that or not. They turn up, do the work and should aim to work hard. If they're not stretched or at peak prep and focus who is at fault? Why did the defensive training not work for Swansea away? Why did the players demand more defensive training the Friday before Hull away after the Thursday trading 24 hours earlier was below the required standard and probably inferior to what they e had before. I suppose you'll wave that away as well.

COYP

Makes you wonder why clubs even bother having trainers at all doesn't it. Or individual sports people have personal trainers, should be able to do it by themselves. All these fitness experts - just a waste of time and money.