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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Nov 16 4.24pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
So what is this constant hate of everything forgien you speak of then nick. Be honest. If it was a Muslim extremist that killed Jo Cox, the conviction would have been all over the front pages of the mail for days. The BBC go out of their way... Do you have any specific examples other than the mostly Muslim rape gangs? Were are the figures to say rape gangs are mostly Muslim. You say certain papers print things that are over hyped. I'd say they print inflammatory nonsense cleverly dressed up as fact that is meant to instill fear and hate among the readership. find someone to hate or blame when it's those that are in charge that are responsible for the s*** state of affairs. Orwell had it right with the 3 minutes hate in 1984.
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elgrande bedford 24 Nov 16 4.26pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Isn't this the reverse of what you were accusing Nick of, because I certainly remember a lot of coverage on the trials of those child sex gangs, and a lot of outcry against the police and social services who TOTALLY allowed it to happen. Then again the BBC hasn't had the best reputation for breaking stories about pedophiles.... There wasn't that much Jamie,and it took years for any one to start to take it seriously, because it was to much of a sensitive issue to deal with.
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Stuk Top half 24 Nov 16 4.28pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You haven't countered anything. Not even the why the daily mail buried the conviction of someone who killed an MP on p.30. An MP was killed and it's on page 30! I didn't have you down as a subscriber. Does it really matter what page it's on? It was probably the most pointless trial ever in the end. He wouldn't speak and it all happened in broad daylight in front of witnesses. What page was it on the day after it happened?
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elgrande bedford 24 Nov 16 4.33pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Be honest. If it was a Muslim extremist that killed Jo Cox, the conviction would have been all over the front pages of the mail for days. The BBC go out of their way... Do you have any specific examples other than the mostly Muslim rape gangs? Were are the figures to say rape gangs are mostly Muslim. You say certain papers print things that are over hyped. I'd say they print inflammatory nonsense cleverly dressed up as fact that is meant to instill fear and hate among the readership. find someone to hate or blame when it's those that are in charge that are responsible for the s*** state of affairs. Orwell had it right with the 3 minutes hate in 1984. Most normal people take the press with a pinch of salt,I tend to make my own mind up about things.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Nov 16 4.50pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
There wasn't that much Jamie,and it took years for any one to start to take it seriously, because it was to much of a sensitive issue to deal with. Its astonishing how its always someone else's fault and never the police or social services. Those Asian men got away with it for so long, because like Savile, and paedo rings in care homes, they abused the kids no one really gave a s**t about. Just as 'Savile was too powerful' or had 'too much status', and nothing to do with the fact he was in with the cops. Too awkward personally more like and they'd written those kids off. That's the tragic truth here. We, as a society, with our apparatus of state authority, totally failed those kids, for an easier life. The authorities in care homes actively told staff members to ignore what was going on, and the police found it easier to write off the victim. We, us, society, are to blame for them getting away with it. Because we really don't care about the least fortunate in society.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Nov 16 4.52pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Most normal people take the press with a pinch of salt,I tend to make my own mind up about things. Odd, because during that time the police have been regularly accused of being racist, and had racist complaints held up. Couldn't possibly be because they, like society in general, didn't really have any incentive or desire to pursue the case, or bring them to the media. Just like Savile, as long as you pick the right victims, you're protected by the general indifference of society to the least fortunate.
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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Nov 16 4.59pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think its important to blame ISIS when its ISIS' fault, rather than blaming Muslims as a whole. Same way that someone like Muir isn't the far right, he's on the fringe of the far right (probably associated with National Action rather than Britain First) - And he'd be their second political motivated murderer. There is a massive gulf between groups like UKIP and the BNP, EDL, Britain First and then them and National Action / Combat 18 et al. Much as there is between people being Muslims and being ISIS. National Action have adopted Muir's 'Death to Traitors, Freedom for Britian' as their moto and are a 'direct action' group. It would be erroneous to suggest people like Muir are are anything more than a tiny minority of the far right. However they are definitely also more than a few loan wolfs. The far right in the UK is about as poorly unified as the far left, maybe worse, consisting of numerous groups ranging from the more political to the militant minded (and in between). Its important to remember that whilst groups like the BNP and EDL have some fascist and neo-Nazi members and similarities, they aren't. Not in the way groups like National Action, The Infidels (related to the National Front) and Combat 18 who openly embrace Fascism and National Socialist political beliefs at their core. They might only number a few hundred or so members across the UK (probably not much more than 1000 or so).
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elgrande bedford 24 Nov 16 5.00pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Odd, because during that time the police have been regularly accused of being racist, and had racist complaints held up. Couldn't possibly be because they, like society in general, didn't really have any incentive or desire to pursue the case, or bring them to the media. Just like Savile, as long as you pick the right victims, you're protected by the general indifference of society to the least fortunate. I take your point Jamie, but the local councils were also complicit in the way they failed to deal with these cases,and councillors who have now retired/left have said as much.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Nov 16 5.02pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Most normal people take the press with a pinch of salt,I tend to make my own mind up about things.
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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Nov 16 5.04pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Be honest. If it was a Muslim extremist that killed Jo Cox, the conviction would have been all over the front pages of the mail for days. You say certain papers print things that are over hyped. I'd say they print inflammatory nonsense cleverly dressed up as fact that is meant to instill fear and hate among the readership. find someone to hate or blame when it's those that are in charge that are responsible for the s*** state of affairs. Orwell had it right with the 3 minutes hate in 1984. Orwell certainly has it right about the left wing. You seem obsessed with the Daily Mail, like it is the only biased Newspaper. So The Guaridan is not biased then? Newspaper bias is about selling papers but the Television news used to be about news not propaganda. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Nov 2016 5.05pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Nov 16 5.06pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
So the police are to blame for the murder of Jo Cox then?
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elgrande bedford 24 Nov 16 5.08pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Oh for f***ed sake,you really are a prat sometimes,drip drip.
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