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PalazioVecchio south pole 19 Nov 16 7.41pm
Sam the Eagle, in red and blue. i am sure i saw that somewhere before. It was good then and can be good again [Link] Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Sam the Eagle, in red and blue.

i am sure i saw that somewhere before. It was good then and can be good again

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Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 19 Nov 16 7.49pm
Originally posted by NickinOX But you said in the post I quoted, that anyone would be better. Now you're saying they wouldn't be. Which is it? By the way, I don't want Allardyce. I don't like watching his sides, it would be about survival. And the irony of those people whining about Pardew not being up to delivering decent finishes in the league and then calling for Allardyce who would likely take us no higher, is priceless. Pardew should get until Christmas having given us two of the top 5 best seasons in our 111 year history as a club. I have confidence based upon the chairman's past record that he will do what he thinks is best. I suspect Pardew will be gone by the New Year if results don't pick up. Edited by NickinOX (19 Nov 2016 7.33pm) Fair point about opening statement. However I'm not one of the 'we should be top six' brigade. Allardyce would be more than adequate to keep us out of relegation trouble. Middle of the table is just fine. Pardew came in and added an arrogance and attack minded approach to a defensively drilled team, and that is a significant reason for his success. Now the defensive mindset has dissipated he's being found out. Allardyce would keep us mid table, and right now he's the only option. I'm glad we seem to agree that he will be gone fairly soon if results don't improve, but you're not putting forward any candidates, which was kind of the point of this thread (sarcastic suggestions don't count) Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 19 Nov 16 7.49pm

Originally posted by NickinOX

But you said in the post I quoted, that anyone would be better. Now you're saying they wouldn't be. Which is it?

By the way, I don't want Allardyce. I don't like watching his sides, it would be about survival. And the irony of those people whining about Pardew not being up to delivering decent finishes in the league and then calling for Allardyce who would likely take us no higher, is priceless.

Pardew should get until Christmas having given us two of the top 5 best seasons in our 111 year history as a club. I have confidence based upon the chairman's past record that he will do what he thinks is best. I suspect Pardew will be gone by the New Year if results don't pick up.

Edited by NickinOX (19 Nov 2016 7.33pm)

Fair point about opening statement.

However I'm not one of the 'we should be top six' brigade. Allardyce would be more than adequate to keep us out of relegation trouble.

Middle of the table is just fine. Pardew came in and added an arrogance and attack minded approach to a defensively drilled team, and that is a significant reason for his success. Now the defensive mindset has dissipated he's being found out.

Allardyce would keep us mid table, and right now he's the only option.

I'm glad we seem to agree that he will be gone fairly soon if results don't improve, but you're not putting forward any candidates, which was kind of the point of this thread (sarcastic suggestions don't count)

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 19 Nov 16 7.53pm
Originally posted by Booted Eagle Not going to happen based on his PL experience which is only with Man City. If we need a new manager it will be to get us out of a relegation scrap. Fat Sam fits the bill but like Mackay previously the baggage might be too much. My preferences would be Chris Hughton first then Roy Hodgson but a change won't happen until Xmas if need be. Not sure I agree with either of those options over allardyce, due to experience and also dinosaur tactics inducing severe boredom and probably relegation. Although maybe a Europa League final, TBF Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 19 Nov 16 7.53pm

Originally posted by Booted Eagle

Not going to happen based on his PL experience which is only with Man City. If we need a new manager it will be to get us out of a relegation scrap. Fat Sam fits the bill but like Mackay previously the baggage might be too much. My preferences would be Chris Hughton first then Roy Hodgson but a change won't happen until Xmas if need be.

Not sure I agree with either of those options over allardyce, due to experience and also dinosaur tactics inducing severe boredom and probably relegation. Although maybe a Europa League final, TBF

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 19 Nov 16 8.00pm
God no, A potential replay of Mmody & Mackay.? the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 19 Nov 16 8.00pm

God no,

A potential replay of Mmody & Mackay.?

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Vaibow vancouver/croydon 19 Nov 16 8.04pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC A fair point but contradictory on two fronts If allardyce is not appropriate because he is a 'character' but fits the bill otherwise, then who else is credible (Freedman is not an option) Where are the two contradictions? Regarding fat Sam, he can come in and clean us up, but the baggage he now has, it's a distraction we don't need. I don't want a character (good or bad) in the dug out, we just need to get on with results. Also, I personally don't want Freedman, but i want to see how he does at a higher level, the 'what if' scenario. Edited by Vaibow (19 Nov 2016 8.05pm) This was once a quality forum....
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Vaibow

vancouver/croydon 19 Nov 16 8.04pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

A fair point but contradictory on two fronts

If allardyce is not appropriate because he is a 'character' but fits the bill otherwise, then who else is credible (Freedman is not an option)

Where are the two contradictions?

Regarding fat Sam, he can come in and clean us up, but the baggage he now has, it's a distraction we don't need. I don't want a character (good or bad) in the dug out, we just need to get on with results.

Also, I personally don't want Freedman, but i want to see how he does at a higher level, the 'what if' scenario.

Edited by Vaibow (19 Nov 2016 8.05pm)

This was once a quality forum....

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Nov 16 8.23pm
Originally posted by Vaibow Where are the two contradictions? Regarding fat Sam, he can come in and clean us up, but the baggage he now has, it's a distraction we don't need. I don't want a character (good or bad) in the dug out, we just need to get on with results. Also, I personally don't want Freedman, but i want to see how he does at a higher level, the 'what if' scenario. Edited by Vaibow (19 Nov 2016 8.05pm) I personally couldn't give a sh1t about the image of Fat Sam coming back into management. This is still football, not the Green Party MP of Brighton candidacy. Did the Man City players care of the embarrassment when the paramedics came on and then the stretchers, limping off only to sprint back and into the action when the lino allowed. Football is unscrupulous, all about money and greed. All we will care about is being in the top division. Just have Sam's contract clearly define what he cannot do and we'll stay up. Delay it and he'll go somewhere else and down we might go. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 19 Nov 16 8.23pm

Originally posted by Vaibow

Where are the two contradictions?

Also, I personally don't want Freedman, but i want to see how he does at a higher level, the 'what if' scenario.

Edited by Vaibow (19 Nov 2016 8.05pm)

I personally couldn't give a sh1t about the image of Fat Sam coming back into management. This is still football, not the Green Party MP of Brighton candidacy. Did the Man City players care of the embarrassment when the paramedics came on and then the stretchers, limping off only to sprint back and into the action when the lino allowed. Football is unscrupulous, all about money and greed.

All we will care about is being in the top division. Just have Sam's contract clearly define what he cannot do and we'll stay up. Delay it and he'll go somewhere else and down we might go.

COYP

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Casual Orpington 19 Nov 16 8.24pm
Originally posted by Vaibow Where are the two contradictions? Regarding fat Sam, he can come in and clean us up, but the baggage he now has, it's a distraction we don't need. I don't want a character (good or bad) in the dug out, we just need to get on with results. Also, I personally don't want Freedman, but i want to see how he does at a higher level, the 'what if' scenario. Edited by Vaibow (19 Nov 2016 8.05pm) Freedman doesn't do well at a lower level, why would he get a job at a higher one ?
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Orpington 19 Nov 16 8.24pm

Originally posted by Vaibow

Where are the two contradictions?

Also, I personally don't want Freedman, but i want to see how he does at a higher level, the 'what if' scenario.

Edited by Vaibow (19 Nov 2016 8.05pm)

Freedman doesn't do well at a lower level, why would he get a job at a higher one ?

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PalazioVecchio south pole 19 Nov 16 8.27pm
Big Fat Sam is tried, tested, competent, available and will go to Swansea, Sunderland, Hull or some other club if we do not get him. Edited by PalazioVecchio (19 Nov 2016 8.32pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 19 Nov 16 8.27pm

Big Fat Sam is tried, tested, competent, available and will go to Swansea, Sunderland, Hull or some other club if we do not get him.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (19 Nov 2016 8.32pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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NickinOX Sailing country. 19 Nov 16 8.29pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Fair point about opening statement. However I'm not one of the 'we should be top six' brigade. Allardyce would be more than adequate to keep us out of relegation trouble. Middle of the table is just fine. Pardew came in and added an arrogance and attack minded approach to a defensively drilled team, and that is a significant reason for his success. Now the defensive mindset has dissipated he's being found out. Allardyce would keep us mid table, and right now he's the only option. I'm glad we seem to agree that he will be gone fairly soon if results don't improve, but you're not putting forward any candidates, which was kind of the point of this thread (sarcastic suggestions don't count) A lot of our problem has been a lack of effective defensive cover, both at center half and full back. Much as Delaney has been fantastic for us, he should have been replaced last season. We should also have brought in more quality at full back. Much as Jedi was past it, and the results during the last two seasons when he played clearly show that, we need a back up player of his type who can actually pass. Ledley looks like he struggles when he is asked to do more than simply tackle, and like Jedi he often looks like he is running in treacle. When Cabaye and MacArthur play well, as they did today, we look a decent team. That also shows how important their form is to the way we play. The worry I have had since the beginning of last season has been our defense. His teams average about 1.33 goals against (and that has been pretty consistent over his career). His teams have almost always leaked goals. That makes me worry he will not be able to tighten things up at the back. I would like to see someone who would bring a new approach: Martin Schmidt has done a good job at Mainz, Christian Stretch has done likewise at Freiburg; or Eduardo Berizzo from Celta. Roger Schmidt would be good! I'm no expert, but they have all done well at small/medium sized clubs: punching above their weight in terms of resources. If Pardew cannot turn things around, then I would like the club to look somewhere like that. But, that would be a big risk. If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
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Sailing country. 19 Nov 16 8.29pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Fair point about opening statement.

However I'm not one of the 'we should be top six' brigade. Allardyce would be more than adequate to keep us out of relegation trouble.

Allardyce would keep us mid table, and right now he's the only option.

A lot of our problem has been a lack of effective defensive cover, both at center half and full back. Much as Delaney has been fantastic for us, he should have been replaced last season. We should also have brought in more quality at full back.

Much as Jedi was past it, and the results during the last two seasons when he played clearly show that, we need a back up player of his type who can actually pass. Ledley looks like he struggles when he is asked to do more than simply tackle, and like Jedi he often looks like he is running in treacle.

When Cabaye and MacArthur play well, as they did today, we look a decent team. That also shows how important their form is to the way we play.

The worry I have had since the beginning of last season has been our defense. His teams average about 1.33 goals against (and that has been pretty consistent over his career). His teams have almost always leaked goals. That makes me worry he will not be able to tighten things up at the back.

I would like to see someone who would bring a new approach: Martin Schmidt has done a good job at Mainz, Christian Stretch has done likewise at Freiburg; or Eduardo Berizzo from Celta. Roger Schmidt would be good!

I'm no expert, but they have all done well at small/medium sized clubs: punching above their weight in terms of resources. If Pardew cannot turn things around, then I would like the club to look somewhere like that. But, that would be a big risk.

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Nov 16 8.30pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio Big Fat Sam is tried, tested, competent, available and will go to Swansea, Hull or some other club if we do not get him. Precisely. Parish is no fool and he must be considering this right now unless there are foreign managers he's looked at, which I highly doubt. This is a results ruthless business so he knows he's got to do it within 2 games if needs be. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 19 Nov 16 8.30pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Big Fat Sam is tried, tested, competent, available and will go to Swansea, Hull or some other club if we do not get him.

Precisely. Parish is no fool and he must be considering this right now unless there are foreign managers he's looked at, which I highly doubt. This is a results ruthless business so he knows he's got to do it within 2 games if needs be.

COYP

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Inapickle South West 19 Nov 16 8.31pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Haha. Touché Well I'll elaborate. Anything is better than a continuation of this middling repetitive dross Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, Sam Allardyce
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Inapickle

South West 19 Nov 16 8.31pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Haha. Touché

Well I'll elaborate. Anything is better than a continuation of this middling repetitive dross

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, Sam Allardyce

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Booted Eagle Bristol 19 Nov 16 8.31pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Not sure I agree with either of those options over allardyce, due to experience and also dinosaur tactics inducing severe boredom and probably relegation. Although maybe a Europa League final, TBF Whilst I agree with you that Allardyce could well be the best manager to pull us out of a possible relegation struggle around Xmas like Pulis previously there is too much of a cloud around him presently. No doubt he will return somewhere in the PL but not this season. Too risky, if he implodes with the media then his position would become untenable again. I don't think the owners would risk this scenario. “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Booted Eagle

Bristol 19 Nov 16 8.31pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Not sure I agree with either of those options over allardyce, due to experience and also dinosaur tactics inducing severe boredom and probably relegation. Although maybe a Europa League final, TBF

Whilst I agree with you that Allardyce could well be the best manager to pull us out of a possible relegation struggle around Xmas like Pulis previously there is too much of a cloud around him presently. No doubt he will return somewhere in the PL but not this season. Too risky, if he implodes with the media then his position would become untenable again. I don't think the owners would risk this scenario.

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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