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thai-eagle chiang mai 03 Nov 16 9.09am | |
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Losing is all right if we have a go, but our surrender (1st half) vs West Ham and Liverpool, adding 5 wins in 32 give me sleepless nights....
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Andy_G Wimbledon 03 Nov 16 9.43am | |
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Originally posted by thai-eagle
Losing is all right if we have a go, but our surrender (1st half) vs West Ham and Liverpool, adding 5 wins in 32 give me sleepless nights.... Losing is not all right but if you see steady improvement in players and team progression then you can live with it. All we see now is good players becoming average and a team that is bullied in games.
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The Dolphin 03 Nov 16 9.53am | |
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As a previous poster said - why obsess over the last 4 games - it is the last 30 + games overall that is the problem.
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Username Horsham 03 Nov 16 12.14pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
Here's a stat for you mucker 5 Wins in 32 matches, argue your way out of that one. It's a pretty easy argument isn't it? The stat is largely irrelevant because the vast majority of that was last season. We've lost three in a row yes, but of those only West Ham was a really poor result and we showed enough in the second half there to make me think that we could easily have got the draw or even won had things broken our way a little bit. After that we've lost away at the champions (playing well) and been beaten by the team that's joint top of the league and has won away at Arsenal and Chelsea already this season. Before that we were unbeaten in five and won three of those.
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victor43 St. Albans 03 Nov 16 12.42pm | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
As a previous poster said - why obsess over the last 4 games - it is the last 30 + games overall that is the problem. Some players have changed but we are still not good as a Team and therein lies the problem. The players have the talent but it needs to be managed and directed and it is not happening and hasn't happened for a while. Yes - of course we expected Liverpool to win against us - they are on fire but we didn't help ourselves.
One point from West Brom, Bournemouth and West Ham at home - one wretched point - I expected at least five or six from those games. We don't look like a team who knows what they are doing or what their plan is. Some of our transfers over the AP's tenure beggar belief in my opinion. After the Liverpool game AP spoke abpout the Ref who shouldn't have been allowed to ref the game after last season. He spoke about Townsend wanting to play on the right but we have Wilf there - did he not work that out (like many of us did) when he bought him and sold our main left sided player - Bolasie (who was sick of playing centre forward)! He spoke about us not being a team who let in goals from set pieces (other than the previous 6 this season - total now 8 in 10 games). He didn't talk much about the actual game - I wonder what planet he is on some times. The opportunity is there for it to be so different and so much better but we need the Team to be managed and for there to be a game plan.
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KAOS In a tree 03 Nov 16 12.56pm | |
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Originally posted by gambler
Exactly. It's not a temporary loss of form is it. Relegation form is what it is. Yep. agree with these 2 posts 100%. U would like to know what manager in the football league has ever kept their job with that sort of form! I'm guessing not!
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KAOS In a tree 03 Nov 16 12.59pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
Why are you all obessing over the last 4 games ? We've only won 5 in the last 32. Our football in 2016 is relagation form. End of. Edited by dannyh (03 Nov 2016 7.28am) I wouldn't bother mate, as people are conveniently choosing to ignore that very relevant fact! And then accuse people who bring it up as being party poopers!
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 03 Nov 16 1.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Username
It's a pretty easy argument isn't it? The stat is largely irrelevant because the vast majority of that was last season. We've lost three in a row yes, but of those only West Ham was a really poor result and we showed enough in the second half there to make me think that we could easily have got the draw or even won had things broken our way a little bit. After that we've lost away at the champions (playing well) and been beaten by the team that's joint top of the league and has won away at Arsenal and Chelsea already this season. Before that we were unbeaten in five and won three of those. So you wouldn't say then that continuing where we left off after spending millions is a problem then ? I actually think AP could come in your house on Christmas day and piss on your kids and you'd ask for more.
"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'" |
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victor43 St. Albans 03 Nov 16 1.22pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
So you wouldn't say then that continuing where we left off after spending millions is a problem then ? I actually think AP could come in your house on Christmas day and piss on your kids and you'd ask for more. Second half of last season we got 11 points in 19 games, this season we have the same number of points in roughly half the games - is that continuing where we left off? Seems to be an improvement to me, but I must 'have my head in the sand'. Edited by victor43 (03 Nov 2016 1.23pm)
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rollercoaster Cornwall 03 Nov 16 1.26pm | |
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Stats don't seem to work do they? During our best spells under Pulis & Pardew the stats were saying "we were over achieving". Now we're doing crap and don't look like winning a game the stats are saying " we're doing ok". Logical conclusion the stats are wrong or are measuring the wrong things. Truth of the matter is we only statistically play well when the opposition let us because we are losing the game. If we come back the oppos just raise their games 10% or so until we are behind again. We are really struggling, Pards needs to find a formula that works and some players need to put in more effort.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Nov 16 1.27pm | |
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Originally posted by victor43
Second half of last season we got 11 points in 19 games, this season we have the same number of points in roughly half the games - is that continuing where we left off? Seems to be an improvement to me, but I must 'have my head in the sand'. Edited by victor43 (03 Nov 2016 1.23pm) We'll find it soon enough and I wouldn't call it panicking if we get someone proven or very highly rated anyway. If that does happen then some will realise that it's not only Alan Pardew who can keep us in a respectable position in season 4.
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KAOS In a tree 03 Nov 16 1.31pm | |
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Originally posted by rollercoaster
Stats don't seem to work do they? During our best spells under Pulis & Pardew the stats were saying "we were over achieving". Now we're doing crap and don't look like winning a game the stats are saying " we're doing ok". Logical conclusion the stats are wrong or are measuring the wrong things. Truth of the matter is we only statistically play well when the opposition let us because we are losing the game. If we come back the oppos just raise their games 10% or so until we are behind again. We are really struggling, Pards needs to find a formula that works and some players need to put in more effort. It's the manager, his system, his ability to motivate his players, his tactics etc that are to blame. We are on a downward trajectory and have had a few false dawns in 2016 where it looks like it may change but it never lasts long and we end up back in a losing / clueless streak. I know we're a mid-table team at best but these players - especially now - are better than our results lead us to believe ... so the buck does stop with Pardew currently!
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