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CrazyBadger Ware 12 Sep 16 1.20pm
Originally posted by xlax I don't think incentives like that work completely. Players will start to play selfishly and not, for example, pass the ball to a team mate who is in the clear. Need to be careful with incentive based pay. surely the answer to this is to make the incentive The same for an assist and goal - i.e. 5k each. then his focus will be on choosing The option that's most likely gong to get him the bonus. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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CrazyBadger

Ware 12 Sep 16 1.20pm

Originally posted by xlax

I don't think incentives like that work completely. Players will start to play selfishly and not, for example, pass the ball to a team mate who is in the clear. Need to be careful with incentive based pay.

surely the answer to this is to make the incentive The same for an assist and goal - i.e. 5k each.
then his focus will be on choosing The option that's most likely gong to get him the bonus.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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xlax Brockham 12 Sep 16 1.27pm
Originally posted by CrazyBadger surely the answer to this is to make the incentive The same for an assist and goal - i.e. 5k each. then his focus will be on choosing The option that's most likely gong to get him the bonus. OK, good suggestion. Objection number two..... Not everyone responds to incentives in the same way. Some people might not respond as well as others to a direct incentive to put the ball in the net. It might actually hold them back. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - get it out with Optrex.
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Brockham 12 Sep 16 1.27pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

surely the answer to this is to make the incentive The same for an assist and goal - i.e. 5k each.
then his focus will be on choosing The option that's most likely gong to get him the bonus.

OK, good suggestion.

Objection number two..... Not everyone responds to incentives in the same way. Some people might not respond as well as others to a direct incentive to put the ball in the net. It might actually hold them back.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - get it out with Optrex.

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Geoff Thomas Tonbridge - 12 Sep 16 1.38pm
Have to say he is now more in the limelight and has to deliver consistency! Yes he is still young but has been around for 5 or 6 seasons and the end product is not always the best. Saturday he was good and looked hungry and took his goal well, could this be him turning the corner? But if you look at the WBA match he fluffed our best chance. Bournemouth he came on like a man possessed, so he has got massive potential but only needs consistency. I think that is what Shearer was saying but looks like everyone has over reacted and Parish should not have retaliated IMHO as that highlights the issue even more so. My non supporting Palace mates don't rate him which I find odd, perhaps they are jealous? GT Eagles S* on Seagulls, Eagles S* on Seagulls, La La La La,! La La La La!
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Tonbridge - 12 Sep 16 1.38pm

Have to say he is now more in the limelight and has to deliver consistency! Yes he is still young but has been around for 5 or 6 seasons and the end product is not always the best.
Saturday he was good and looked hungry and took his goal well, could this be him turning the corner?
But if you look at the WBA match he fluffed our best chance.
Bournemouth he came on like a man possessed, so he has got massive potential but only needs consistency.
I think that is what Shearer was saying but looks like everyone has over reacted and Parish should not have retaliated IMHO as that highlights the issue even more so.
My non supporting Palace mates don't rate him which I find odd, perhaps they are jealous?

Eagles S*** on Seagulls, Eagles S*** on Seagulls,
La La La La,!
La La La La!

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matthau South Croydon 12 Sep 16 1.48pm
I think he is still a boy in his mind. hasn't yet matured. once he man's up and stops sulking he'll become the player we all think he can be. might take another couple of years.
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matthau

South Croydon 12 Sep 16 1.48pm

I think he is still a boy in his mind. hasn't yet matured. once he man's up and stops sulking he'll become the player we all think he can be.

might take another couple of years.

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cp forever south london 12 Sep 16 2.03pm
I was pretty livid with Shearer on Sat, however he was not wrong, I quite like the fact that Parish made those tweets, supporting our lad, however Wilfred will have heard the challenge to him which is no bad thing. Don't get me wrong, I love Wilfred's play but he is not beyond criticism.
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south london 12 Sep 16 2.03pm

I was pretty livid with Shearer on Sat, however he was not wrong, I quite like the fact that Parish made those tweets, supporting our lad, however Wilfred will have heard the challenge to him which is no bad thing.
Don't get me wrong, I love Wilfred's play but he is not beyond criticism.

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CrazyBadger Ware 12 Sep 16 2.11pm
Originally posted by xlax OK, good suggestion. Objection number two..... Not everyone responds to incentives in the same way. Some people might not respond as well as others to a direct incentive to put the ball in the net. It might actually hold them back. true, everyone is different. Businesses the world over have the same problem solve when motivating their workforce. The Goal is to motivate all the Staff when all the staff want different things. You either set their incentives - cash or otherwise - individually or implement a best fit system, where 1 incentive Scheme fits the most amount of people. also, what they WANT and what the NEED to be motivated may be different. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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CrazyBadger

Ware 12 Sep 16 2.11pm

Originally posted by xlax

OK, good suggestion.

true, everyone is different.

Businesses the world over have the same problem solve when motivating their workforce. The Goal is to motivate all the Staff when all the staff want different things.
You either set their incentives - cash or otherwise - individually or implement a best fit system, where 1 incentive Scheme fits the most amount of people.

also, what they WANT and what the NEED to be motivated may be different.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Palace_Jack Croydon 12 Sep 16 2.29pm
Originally posted by CrazyBadger surely the answer to this is to make the incentive The same for an assist and goal - i.e. 5k each. then his focus will be on choosing The option that's most likely gong to get him the bonus. But the simple response to that is, so Sako is worth £60k a month more than me (if we're saying BS is on £50k and WZ is on £35k). I'm in the team each week, was POTY and subject to an enquiry from a Champs League team + the chairman said it'll take £50m for me to be sold. If those are the facts you can't just bump his bonuses and not his standard wage.
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Palace_Jack

Croydon 12 Sep 16 2.29pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

surely the answer to this is to make the incentive The same for an assist and goal - i.e. 5k each.
then his focus will be on choosing The option that's most likely gong to get him the bonus.

But the simple response to that is, so Sako is worth £60k a month more than me (if we're saying BS is on £50k and WZ is on £35k). I'm in the team each week, was POTY and subject to an enquiry from a Champs League team + the chairman said it'll take £50m for me to be sold.

If those are the facts you can't just bump his bonuses and not his standard wage.

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citizensmudge midlands 12 Sep 16 3.29pm
You need to look at what the club wants not what Wilf thinks he should have.I have been very impressed with how SP and AP have dealt with the situation since Levy attempted to nick Wilf.It would be easy to just cave in and wave pound notes at him but that leaves you with nowhere else to go as a manager or owner.AP talking about the lad being good enough to see an offer from Madrid/Barca in the future and talking in terms of £50 million providing he fulfill's his potential is exactly what Wilf needs to hear from a football POV.And that should be his sole focus, improving his attitude will improve his game and money does exactly the opposite in my experience as shown by Levy's double-your-money attempt to nick Wilf.His head gets turned and its not about getting better its about more money.Im sure SP wants to give him an improved contract because he quite obviously loves Wilf as a player and as a person but he also has to look at things as a Chairman of the Business where Wilf is an asset.What do we need to do to maximise his potential to the club,how do we motivate him to increase his value to the team and if we achieve those then how do we maximise our profit should we be forced into selling him.Even SP's response to fvcknuts Shearer on Twitter will get a response from Wilf if used in the right way so its all very clever from the guys running the club.
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citizensmudge

midlands 12 Sep 16 3.29pm

You need to look at what the club wants not what Wilf thinks he should have.I have been very impressed with how SP and AP have dealt with the situation since Levy attempted to nick Wilf.It would be easy to just cave in and wave pound notes at him but that leaves you with nowhere else to go as a manager or owner.AP talking about the lad being good enough to see an offer from Madrid/Barca in the future and talking in terms of £50 million providing he fulfill's his potential is exactly what Wilf needs to hear from a football POV.And that should be his sole focus, improving his attitude will improve his game and money does exactly the opposite in my experience as shown by Levy's double-your-money attempt to nick Wilf.His head gets turned and its not about getting better its about more money.Im sure SP wants to give him an improved contract because he quite obviously loves Wilf as a player and as a person but he also has to look at things as a Chairman of the Business where Wilf is an asset.What do we need to do to maximise his potential to the club,how do we motivate him to increase his value to the team and if we achieve those then how do we maximise our profit should we be forced into selling him.Even SP's response to fvcknuts Shearer on Twitter will get a response from Wilf if used in the right way so its all very clever from the guys running the club.

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CrazyBadger Ware 12 Sep 16 3.48pm
Originally posted by Palace_Jack But the simple response to that is, so Sako is worth £60k a month more than me (if we're saying BS is on £50k and WZ is on £35k). I'm in the team each week, was POTY and subject to an enquiry from a Champs League team + the chairman said it'll take £50m for me to be sold. If those are the facts you can't just bump his bonuses and not his standard wage. I very much agree. I wasn't commenting on how Zaha's overall package should be structured, rather I was suggesting how such incentive schemes should work to help, not hinder the team. As far as I see it, the current acquistion of players for vastly inflated sums, the current crop of players already at the club are often going to be 'worse off'. The task of keeping current players happy whilst buying in new talent without ending up with a bankrupting size wage bill is a task worthy of someone much more qualified than me. I wouldn't know where to start! "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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CrazyBadger

Ware 12 Sep 16 3.48pm

Originally posted by Palace_Jack

If those are the facts you can't just bump his bonuses and not his standard wage.

I very much agree.

I wasn't commenting on how Zaha's overall package should be structured, rather I was suggesting how such incentive schemes should work to help, not hinder the team.

As far as I see it, the current acquistion of players for vastly inflated sums, the current crop of players already at the club are often going to be 'worse off'.
The task of keeping current players happy whilst buying in new talent without ending up with a bankrupting size wage bill is a task worthy of someone much more qualified than me. I wouldn't know where to start!

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Palace_Jack Croydon 12 Sep 16 3.52pm
Originally posted by citizensmudge You need to look at what the club wants not what Wilf thinks he should have.I have been very impressed with how SP and AP have dealt with the situation since Levy attempted to nick Wilf.It would be easy to just cave in and wave pound notes at him but that leaves you with nowhere else to go as a manager or owner.AP talking about the lad being good enough to see an offer from Madrid/Barca in the future and talking in terms of £50 million providing he fulfill's his potential is exactly what Wilf needs to hear from a football POV.And that should be his sole focus, improving his attitude will improve his game and money does exactly the opposite in my experience as shown by Levy's double-your-money attempt to nick Wilf.His head gets turned and its not about getting better its about more money.Im sure SP wants to give him an improved contract because he quite obviously loves Wilf as a player and as a person but he also has to look at things as a Chairman of the Business where Wilf is an asset.What do we need to do to maximise his potential to the club,how do we motivate him to increase his value to the team and if we achieve those then how do we maximise our profit should we be forced into selling him.Even SP's response to fvcknuts Shearer on Twitter will get a response from Wilf if used in the right way so its all very clever from the guys running the club. That's a cracking post tips hat
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Palace_Jack

Croydon 12 Sep 16 3.52pm

Originally posted by citizensmudge

That's a cracking post
*tips hat*

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Ray in Houston Houston 12 Sep 16 4.59pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch [Tweet Link] Chat s*, get banged. Attachment: 14232978_10154486588780349_279043179114108312_n.jpg (36.00Kb) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just waing with a football.
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