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Goldfiinger Just down the road 10 Sep 16 12.55am
Originally posted by glaziermart There are quite a lot of us who do not think 4-4-2 formation works with us. If Remy had been fit this Saturday, Pardew probably would have played him up front with Benteke. Then Wilf probably would have been dropped to the bench and Punch played out wide which is not his best position anymore, he is better in the Number 10 role, even though he is not playing as well as he did two years ago. The injury to Remy means we will likely see Flamini playing with Jimmy Mac or Cabaye in the middle, or we have the option of moving Cabaye into the number 10 role and playing Jimmy Mac and Flamini behind. Joe Ledley of course could sit behind as well. All this would mean Wilf and Townsend can push up wide and frighten defences. To be honest i was more pleased we got Flamini. That was desperately needed I'd actually agree to a certain point. I don't think we're ready to switch to an out and out front 2 and it did sound from AP comments as though prior to his injury he was looking to play both Remy and Ben. So for this game I'm a little pleased we won't be. Personally want to see Punch and Lee in the middle both causing havoc behind Ben. As someone else mentioned I think Lee is going to have a great year for us and after his good form it would have been disappointing to see Remy possibly push him out the team. Although obviously I don't actually want one of our squad to be injured for 2 months. But I get the OP main point and kinda agree. Maybe we can play 2 up top but I don't think we're ready for that yet..
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Goldfiinger

Just down the road 10 Sep 16 12.55am

Originally posted by glaziermart

There are quite a lot of us who do not think 4-4-2 formation works with us. If Remy had been fit this Saturday, Pardew probably would have played him up front with Benteke. Then Wilf probably would have been dropped to the bench and Punch played out wide which is not his best position anymore, he is better in the Number 10 role, even though he is not playing as well as he did two years ago. The injury to Remy means we will likely see Flamini playing with Jimmy Mac or Cabaye in the middle, or we have the option of moving Cabaye into the number 10 role and playing Jimmy Mac and Flamini behind. Joe Ledley of course could sit behind as well. All this would mean Wilf and Townsend can push up wide and frighten defences. To be honest i was more pleased we got Flamini. That was desperately needed

I'd actually agree to a certain point. I don't think we're ready to switch to an out and out front 2 and it did sound from AP comments as though prior to his injury he was looking to play both Remy and Ben. So for this game I'm a little pleased we won't be. Personally want to see Punch and Lee in the middle both causing havoc behind Ben. As someone else mentioned I think Lee is going to have a great year for us and after his good form it would have been disappointing to see Remy possibly push him out the team. Although obviously I don't actually want one of our squad to be injured for 2 months. But I get the OP main point and kinda agree.

Maybe we can play 2 up top but I don't think we're ready for that yet..

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 10 Sep 16 1.59am
Originally posted by AdelaideEagle It's a pity we didn't hold onto Dwight Gayle if we were looking to transition to a 4-4-2 formation this season. A front two of Benteke and DG would have been mouth-watering. However, we've improved with Remy instead of Dwight. Oh but he's injured within 4 hours of signing. That's Palace for you! Edited by AdelaideEagle (09 Sep 2016 8.50pm) I was never totally ' sold ' on Gayle, but I also think he was never utilised properly. He certainly has a goalscorers instincts and I agree, a partnership in a front 2 may have seen him thrive. Old, Ungifted and White
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NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 10 Sep 16 1.59am

Originally posted by AdelaideEagle

It's a pity we didn't hold onto Dwight Gayle if we were looking to transition to a 4-4-2 formation this season. A front two of Benteke and DG would have been mouth-watering.

However, we've improved with Remy instead of Dwight. Oh but he's injured within 4 hours of signing. That's Palace for you!

Edited by AdelaideEagle (09 Sep 2016 8.50pm)

I was never totally ' sold ' on Gayle, but I also think he was never utilised properly.

He certainly has a goalscorers instincts and I agree, a partnership in a front 2 may have seen him thrive.

Old, Ungifted and White

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dynamicdick Dormansland 10 Sep 16 10.59am
Originally posted by palace99 Cabeye at No 10 - did you watch a game in 2016? The guy can't play this role anymore - he wants to drop deep, often leaving Jimmy Mac to try and support the strikers, which is not his best position. we tried it again in the cup final and he was the worst player on the pitch. Cabeye on paper was a great signing but other than a few nice touches he's not doing enough for me. Not saying I wouldn't play him, just not as a No10 By this are you saying that in your opinion he physically can't play this role anymore because if so have his legs gone or a long term injury. Wasn't there reports last season of him having a possible pelvic problem? At Newcastle he would be a box to box player scoring many goals from outside the box and I assume this is why he was bought but he is a shadow of this. All in all rather an odd situation. Bring back Brolin
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dynamicdick

Dormansland 10 Sep 16 10.59am

Originally posted by palace99

Cabeye at No 10 - did you watch a game in 2016?

The guy can't play this role anymore - he wants to drop deep, often leaving Jimmy Mac to try and support the strikers, which is not his best position.

we tried it again in the cup final and he was the worst player on the pitch.

Cabeye on paper was a great signing but other than a few nice touches he's not doing enough for me.

Not saying I wouldn't play him, just not as a No10

By this are you saying that in your opinion he physically can't play this role anymore because if so have his legs gone or a long term injury. Wasn't there reports last season of him having a possible pelvic problem?

At Newcastle he would be a box to box player scoring many goals from outside the box and I assume this is why he was bought but he is a shadow of this.

All in all rather an odd situation.

Bring back Brolin

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Sep 16 11.08am
Originally posted by dynamicdick By this are you saying that in your opinion he physically can't play this role anymore because if so have his legs gone or a long term injury. Wasn't there reports last season of him having a possible pelvic problem? At Newcastle he would be a box to box player scoring many goals from outside the box and I assume this is why he was bought but he is a shadow of this. All in all rather an odd situation. There was a great frisson of excitement when we signed Cabaye who was our "Stellar" player etc etc.He has certainly not lived up to expectations and is not the player he was at Newcastle.Would there have been a huge outcry if he had been sold in the 'Transfer Window' ????
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Sep 16 11.08am

Originally posted by dynamicdick

At Newcastle he would be a box to box player scoring many goals from outside the box and I assume this is why he was bought but he is a shadow of this.

All in all rather an odd situation.

There was a great frisson of excitement when we signed Cabaye who was our "Stellar" player etc etc.He has certainly not lived up to expectations and is not the player he was at Newcastle.Would there have been a huge outcry if he had been sold in the 'Transfer Window' ????

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ParchmoreEagle Belair 11 Sep 16 12.47am
Originally posted by Casual 'Most of our team are capable of scoring' Are they? Who? Ward doesn't Delaney doesn't Soare doesn't Kelly doesn't Delaney doesn't MacArthur doesn't Ledley doesn't Cabaye doesn't Zaha doesn't Puncheon doesn't Benteke, Townsend hopefully will. Danns great at scoring for a defender. Not exactly free scoring though are we. Remy being injured isn't a good thing. Gutted for him and us. I hope you watched the Middlesbrough match because it totally was about what I posted. Benteke scored, and Zaha scored a top class goal and Townsend almost scored a superb strike but for a great save. You want to rewind and change that to 442 with Remy next to Benteke??? They played much better than last week's first 45 minutes - in control - totally deserved win. JUST AS I POSTED. [Link]
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ParchmoreEagle

Belair 11 Sep 16 12.47am

Originally posted by Casual

'Most of our team are capable of scoring'
Are they? Who?
Ward doesn't
Delaney doesn't
Soare doesn't
Kelly doesn't
Delaney doesn't
MacArthur doesn't
Ledley doesn't
Cabaye doesn't
Zaha doesn't
Puncheon doesn't

Benteke, Townsend hopefully will.
Danns great at scoring for a defender.
Not exactly free scoring though are we.

Remy being injured isn't a good thing. Gutted for him and us.

I hope you watched the Middlesbrough match because it totally was about what I posted. Benteke scored, and Zaha scored a top class goal and Townsend almost scored a superb strike but for a great save. You want to rewind and change that to 442 with Remy next to Benteke??? They played much better than last week's first 45 minutes - in control - totally deserved win. JUST AS I POSTED.

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Casual Orpington 11 Sep 16 7.16am
Originally posted by ParchmoreEagle I hope you watched the Middlesbrough match because it totally was about what I posted. Benteke scored, and Zaha scored a top class goal and Townsend almost scored a superb strike but for a great save. You want to rewind and change that to 442 with Remy next to Benteke??? They played much better than last week's first 45 minutes - in control - totally deserved win. JUST AS I POSTED. I did watch the game and a I can now see your level of football knowledge , outstanding. Can you work out the scorers and times of goals for the Stoke game? We could clean up at the bookies, we'd be like a Steve Irwin , Peter Barlow combo. Very excited about this, we will be billionaires
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Casual

Orpington 11 Sep 16 7.16am

Originally posted by ParchmoreEagle

I did watch the game and a I can now see your level of football knowledge , outstanding.
Can you work out the scorers and times of goals for the Stoke game?
We could clean up at the bookies, we'd be like a Steve Irwin , Peter Barlow combo. Very excited about this, we will be billionaires

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Aray South London 11 Sep 16 11.31am
Originally posted by ParchmoreEagle I hope you watched the Middlesbrough match because it totally was about what I posted. Benteke scored, and Zaha scored a top class goal and Townsend almost scored a superb strike but for a great save. You want to rewind and change that to 442 with Remy next to Benteke??? They played much better than last week's first 45 minutes - in control - totally deserved win. JUST AS I POSTED. Only problem is you can't prove/show how we'd have played if Remy had been available.
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Aray

South London 11 Sep 16 11.31am

Originally posted by ParchmoreEagle

Only problem is you can't prove/show how we'd have played if Remy had been available.

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Flash Lampeter 11 Sep 16 1.57pm
Originally posted by bexleydave Christ we haven't even seen Remy play for us yet and you've written him off already Losing a striker is a disaster when scoring goals is our problem. Well said, Dave. Got on to this thread late. I haven't even read it through to the end yet. But I'm shocked someone can say that a player getting an 8 week injury is a "blessing". And a player whose signing received widespread acclaim I thought.
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Flash

Lampeter 11 Sep 16 1.57pm

Originally posted by bexleydave

Christ we haven't even seen Remy play for us yet and you've written him off already

Losing a striker is a disaster when scoring goals is our problem.

Well said, Dave. Got on to this thread late. I haven't even read it through to the end yet. But I'm shocked someone can say that a player getting an 8 week injury is a "blessing". And a player whose signing received widespread acclaim I thought.

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Flash Lampeter 11 Sep 16 2.01pm
Originally posted by Aray Only problem is you can't prove/show how we'd have played if Remy had been available. Or if we would have played 442. We want to increase our options - not limit them!!!
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Flash

Lampeter 11 Sep 16 2.01pm

Originally posted by Aray

Only problem is you can't prove/show how we'd have played if Remy had been available.

Or if we would have played 442. We want to increase our options - not limit them!!!

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Flash Lampeter 11 Sep 16 2.14pm
Originally posted by Casual I said Dann was a good goal scoring defender. How many goals have the players from the rest of my list scored in the last 12 months from open play? IMO the last 12 months is irrelevant. We've a new squad with new capabilities. We can't judge goal scoring expectations on historical performance stats. We've moved on. Sadly one of our new signings to strengthen our squad will be sidelined for 8 weeks. This is not a blessing in any sense. It's bad news for the club and terribly sad for a player who was relishing an opportunity to refresh his career.
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Flash

Lampeter 11 Sep 16 2.14pm

Originally posted by Casual

I said Dann was a good goal scoring defender.
How many goals have the players from the rest of my list scored in the last 12 months from open play?

IMO the last 12 months is irrelevant. We've a new squad with new capabilities. We can't judge goal scoring expectations on historical performance stats. We've moved on. Sadly one of our new signings to strengthen our squad will be sidelined for 8 weeks. This is not a blessing in any sense. It's bad news for the club and terribly sad for a player who was relishing an opportunity to refresh his career.

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Casual Orpington 11 Sep 16 2.26pm
Originally posted by Flash IMO the last 12 months is irrelevant. We've a new squad with new capabilities. We can't judge goal scoring expectations on historical performance stats. We've moved on. Sadly one of our new signings to strengthen our squad will be sidelined for 8 weeks. This is not a blessing in any sense. It's bad news for the club and terribly sad for a player who was relishing an opportunity to refresh his career. Agree that they can all have a clean slate, but all players are judged on past performance, otherwise Campbell would be worth the same as Messi. On what basis do you think we signed our new players?
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Casual

Orpington 11 Sep 16 2.26pm

Originally posted by Flash

Agree that they can all have a clean slate, but all players are judged on past performance, otherwise Campbell would be worth the same as Messi. On what basis do you think we signed our new players?

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Flash Lampeter 11 Sep 16 2.36pm
Originally posted by Willo There was a great frisson of excitement when we signed Cabaye who was our "Stellar" player etc etc.He has certainly not lived up to expectations and is not the player he was at Newcastle.Would there have been a huge outcry if he had been sold in the 'Transfer Window' ???? It's a very good question, Willo. I'm hoping he might be the CAM we're seeking. With Flamini we've strengthened the DM department and I hope this might release Cabaye to do great creative things in the top third. Whilst I'm hoping for this, I must admit that I'm not too confident it will work. The trouble is that Cabaye does not have much of a resale value so I think we've got to give it a try and hope for the best. I still think we will be looking for a CAM in the January transfer window - maybe to supplement him rather than replace him.
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Flash

Lampeter 11 Sep 16 2.36pm

Originally posted by Willo

It's a very good question, Willo. I'm hoping he might be the CAM we're seeking. With Flamini we've strengthened the DM department and I hope this might release Cabaye to do great creative things in the top third. Whilst I'm hoping for this, I must admit that I'm not too confident it will work. The trouble is that Cabaye does not have much of a resale value so I think we've got to give it a try and hope for the best. I still think we will be looking for a CAM in the January transfer window - maybe to supplement him rather than replace him.

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