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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 16 6.15pm | |
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 30 Nov 16 11.26pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
A lot to trawl through there. But, taking Trump out of the equation. The left wing students coined the phrase (as a joke), and are now annoyed that right wing adults are throwing it back at them. Is that what you are saying? That's the gist of it. And it has no liberal or left wing slant to it either
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dreamwaverider London 01 Dec 16 3.25am | |
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I wonder what it must be like to be a politically correct EU loving tree hugging do gooder totally deluded by the political classes. I've never met one, and there a plenty to meet, who is not a total hypocrite.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Dec 16 9.38am | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
A lot to trawl through there. But, taking Trump out of the equation. The left wing students coined the phrase (as a joke), and are now annoyed that right wing adults are throwing it back at them. Is that what you are saying? That's the gist of it. And it has no liberal or left wing slant to it either Pretty sure that political correctness as a means on social engineering grew from Liberal Feminist movements in social sciences, during the 70s, stemming from the impact of post-modernism and critical social psychology. Certainly it requires the development of discursive research methodology, so I'd say it kind of occurs in the 70s, and becomes a thing in the 80s. The idea behind political correctness is that it moves society towards a 'more modal form of language' and initiates discourse theory to engage debate around linguistic based prejudices that exist unconsciously in society (see Stuks favour Institutional Racism). The problem of society isn't really that some people are racists (to select one form of prejudice) but that inherently the effects of racial prejudices inform our cultural existence apriori. For example the association linguistically of white with good, purity, holy and black with evil, badness and subversion. Because the human mind works through schema association, when we experience or use a word, we associate it with not just the initial context of use, but a number of associated meta concepts - This effectively makes the human mind exceptionally adaptable, fast but prone to false association. The idea behind political correctness is that it engages those associations, like a form of social psychoanalysis on a grand scale - Effectively informing the social discourses of historical resolution seen in Foucaults theory of history (which is in itself an essay in its own right). Political correctness isn't supposed to be used to 'silence people' but to get them to talk, initially by highlighting absurd scenarios, to further human social awareness of the role of language and the social in our psychological (and sociological) being.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Dec 16 9.40am | |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
I wonder what it must be like to be a politically correct EU loving tree hugging do gooder totally deluded by the political classes. I've never met one, and there a plenty to meet, who is not a total hypocrite. Firstly, everyone is a hypocrite. Its inherent in our nature. Secondly, why is loving and doing good, a negative? The oppositional point to your statement would be prejudice, EU hating, nature spuring, evil doer who is not deluded by political machinations. That doesn't sound like something one should want to be? And if you've never met one, how do you know they exist?
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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Dec 16 9.45am | |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
You're not going to amount to much in life if your observation skills and memory are anything to go by as demonstrated on here. You cannot remember that I apologised for winding up you and other economics degree students/graduates purely as retaliation for your assertion that old white men's views were irrelevant to the Brexit debate? You keep trying to undermine myself and others by suggesting literature is alien to our cognisance? Notice my choice of words... hardly the incoherent ramblings of a Beano reader? Try debating with proven facts/figures and rein back on the sarcasm driven by an inflated ego. See, political correctness would argue here that the issue is how we split views along race, and attempt to engage why we believe race, age, gender etc are so essential to the essense of our views. The problem isn't young liberal views, old white man views, but that we dismiss the views based on our prejudices (i.e. rather than try to understand the view of the young liberal, and engage those, we dismiss them as the folly of youth, and the nievity of liberalism - same as we would with old white man views (i.e. we don't bother with the views). Political correctness must work both ways. Its not about a point of view, but why and where these points of view come from.
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Hrolf The Ganger 01 Dec 16 12.34pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
See, political correctness would argue here that the issue is how we split views along race, and attempt to engage why we believe race, age, gender etc are so essential to the essense of our views. The problem isn't young liberal views, old white man views, but that we dismiss the views based on our prejudices (i.e. rather than try to understand the view of the young liberal, and engage those, we dismiss them as the folly of youth, and the nievity of liberalism - same as we would with old white man views (i.e. we don't bother with the views). Political correctness must work both ways. Its not about a point of view, but why and where these points of view come from.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Dec 16 2.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (01 Dec 2016 12.35pm) Of course what you're actually saying is that people more inclined towards the right need to use political correctness to highlight the prejudices inherent in social interaction and communication. Those who silence debate with noise or simple rhetoric are the enemies of democracy and liberalism. Liberalism, philosophically, can only work if it draws from arguments from both the left and the right, and expounds its solutions as compromises based in logical assessment and pragmatism. Too many people see Liberalism as a cause, rather than a means by which distinctly different opinions are reflected on the basis of merit, pragmatism or necessity. Liberalism is good for society, turning it into an ideology is just as bad for society as idealism right or left. If we're not pragmatic, and engaged, all we ever end up doing is existing in a spiral of forcing our ideals onto others. All views, based in reason are valid, even if I don't agree with them, the key is to present the counter-point, and then draw a conclusion from the needs of the many, rather than the loudest few.
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Hrolf The Ganger 01 Dec 16 3.29pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Of course what you're actually saying is that people more inclined towards the right need to use political correctness to highlight the prejudices inherent in social interaction and communication. Those who silence debate with noise or simple rhetoric are the enemies of democracy and liberalism. Liberalism, philosophically, can only work if it draws from arguments from both the left and the right, and expounds its solutions as compromises based in logical assessment and pragmatism. Too many people see Liberalism as a cause, rather than a means by which distinctly different opinions are reflected on the basis of merit, pragmatism or necessity. Liberalism is good for society, turning it into an ideology is just as bad for society as idealism right or left. If we're not pragmatic, and engaged, all we ever end up doing is existing in a spiral of forcing our ideals onto others. All views, based in reason are valid, even if I don't agree with them, the key is to present the counter-point, and then draw a conclusion from the needs of the many, rather than the loudest few.
But yes that is exactly it. There cannot be an over riding ideal that ignores all alternative or reason or other practical matters. Such an attitude is bordering on religion and religion is not based on reason. We must also recognise that not all people are served well by the same cause.
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richard shaw (og)65 my minds eye 01 Dec 16 5.09pm | |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
Apologies, I forgot, was it you or Hlorf the Granger or whatever his tag is that worked in the city in some capacity after leaving school at A levels? Honestly couldn't remember. Similar tags and similar points often I didn't really distinguish between you. Have you found out what an economics degree involves these days or is it still as worthwhile as one in textiles? Will I probably get a 2.2 and end up working as a burger flipper upon graduating as well? Or have you done some reading? and me
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Kermit8 Hevon 01 Dec 16 5.16pm | |
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Originally posted by richard shaw (og)65
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Hrolf The Ganger 01 Dec 16 5.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
What, you mean you don't think we are the same person? That's how you lot usually rationalise it when more that one person at a time disagrees with you endless drone. Good know how you coped with BREXIT.
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