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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Oct 15 2.01pm
Quote Forest Hillbilly at 06 Oct 2015 1.44pm How many Palace players are immigrants ? Speroni,...Cabaye,...Bolasie,...CY Lee,... Jedinak, Hangeland,... and even though Palace have one of the highest proportions of English players, that is why the English national side is shlt. Zaha, Souare, Sako, Delanney, Chammakh, Appiah, McCarthy (Paddy - I think). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Forest Hillbilly at 06 Oct 2015 1.44pm

How many Palace players are immigrants ?

Speroni,...Cabaye,...Bolasie,...CY Lee,... Jedinak, Hangeland,...

and even though Palace have one of the highest proportions of English players, that is why the English national side is shlt.

Zaha, Souare, Sako, Delanney, Chammakh, Appiah, McCarthy (Paddy - I think).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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dannyboy1978 06 Oct 15 2.13pm
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twist Miami, Florida 06 Oct 15 2.33pm
Why is it that economy seems to be the major factor for the government when looking at immigration ? I was back in England a week back and the traffic was a nightmare pretty much everywhere i went. If your lessening the quality of life for your average citizen by increasing the population, why does a tiny growth in economy even matter ? I have to note that i ate out 3 times a day, and only the last time i ate out was i served by a Brit. All the other times my server had an accent and the service was fantastic, the last time with the Brit, it was average at best and she trod on my foot The food everywhere was horrible mind, except for the last one (the Brit) where the Steak and Ale pie was fantastic.
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Why is it that economy seems to be the major factor for the government when looking at immigration ?

I was back in England a week back and the traffic was a nightmare pretty much everywhere i went.
If your lessening the quality of life for your average citizen by increasing the population, why does a tiny growth in economy even matter ?

I have to note that i ate out 3 times a day, and only the last time i ate out was i served by a Brit. All the other times my server had an accent and the service was fantastic, the last time with the Brit, it was average at best and she trod on my foot

The food everywhere was horrible mind, except for the last one (the Brit) where the Steak and Ale pie was fantastic.

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Oct 15 3.30pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Oct 2015 1.57pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 06 Oct 2015 12.56pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 06 Oct 2015 12.18pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Oct 2015 12.10pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 06 Oct 2015 11.57am Trickle immigration is a good thing for the gene pool but the kind of numbers we have seen in the last 20 years have been insanely large. Shame on the decision makers for putting money before people. My personal theory on this is that the pill is largely responsible for this. A rapidly declining birth rate in the last century plus two world wars has caused politicians to panic and encourage large numbers of tax paying, cheap labour from abroad. The EU free movement laws have made everything worse. It's simple. We need to restrict immigration and encourage people to have more children. Unfortunately, it is probably to late to mend the cultural schisms that we have created. Only extreme measures can change that. I'd agree with this, more or less. The problem isn't really with migration, refugees etc, that's all more or less sustainable. The problem is that around 500,000 migrate to the UK each year, and around 225,000 emigrate each year. That's an unsustainable increase, and needs to be curbed. 42% of that figure comes from inside the EU, 58% from outside - and the vast majority is for work. The problem is that migration to the UK has been adapted by successive governments to fulfill the demands of corporate interests, rather than society, and consequently, this undermines social cohesion (rapid, large scale change, rather than gradual). Don't forget also that immigrants have children which can double/triple the effect on population. Something that many ignore. The fact is that it is immigrants that tend to have the most children and that will change the face of Britain in a very short time. Some might say, so what, but remember that those people vote and their opinion will effect the wider population before too long. It has already begun. Aside from that, imagine a growing problem where various religious groups carry on their little squabbles reflecting what is happening in the Middle East or Asia for example. It is a scary thought. The trouble is that most people just aren't enlightened enough to accept each others differences or cast off their religious ball and chain in pursuit of a more cohesive society. America has had a multi ethnic society for many more years than us and there is no sigh of meaningful cohesion. In general, people still stick to their racial/religious groups. Sadly this does not bode well for the future of Britain. Interestingly though this only really applies to the first generation, less to the second generation and almost never to the third generation. The whole 60s paranoia of how the Blacks or Indian's or pakistanis will replace the whites as the majority, never materialized. And its because its based on a false concept, the idea that its economically sustainable - usually in terms of first generation migrants, it was - because they entered into family businesses, and children could contribute, and the extended family could provide child care. However their kids generally grew up and went either into the family business or careers and jobs, and then larger families become economically unsustainable. By the third generation, the 'family business' tends to be shunned, because the income from outside is better. Its an issue, but not one to be overly concerned about. Plenty of white people who are British have very large families, usually with multiple partners and no economic sustainability. The US is a poor model of comparison. The US has always had a massive racial and religious problem, even until very recently, on a scale that never was seen here. Its also worth noting that Chinese and Indian migrants have generally intergrated very well, where as those who tend to be the target of the most prejudice, black and Muslim, have the worst. Racism is definitely a two way street, but the kind of prejudice exhibited in the 60s and 70s, against West Indians, well its not surprising that it created communities that were isolated and wanted nothing to do with society. And we're doing the same thing with Muslim communities, by targeting whole groups, because of issues with a few. I agree with that to a degree but separatism as a result of prejudice cannot be seen as a white caused problem. Prejudice is universal as you imply and any one going to a new country should not be expecting an easy ride. The whole concept of tolerance is a wonderful ideal but you cannot expect Westerners to accept female genital mutilation, honour killings, witchcraft or any other absurdity that immigrants bring with them. There are some cultural traits that must not be accepted. Many are unlawful for one thing. Your assertion about numbers is dependent on immigration slowing or stopping. If there is a constant stream of migrants then there will always be a new first generation of migrants to have a disproportionate number of offspring. There are definitely some cultures that integrate better than others and a lesson should be learned from that. Some cultures obviously need to try harder.
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Trickle immigration is a good thing for the gene pool but the kind of numbers we have seen in the last 20 years have been insanely large. Shame on the decision makers for putting money before people.
My personal theory on this is that the pill is largely responsible for this. A rapidly declining birth rate in the last century plus two world wars has caused politicians to panic and encourage large numbers of tax paying, cheap labour from abroad. The EU free movement laws have made everything worse.
It's simple. We need to restrict immigration and encourage people to have more children.
Unfortunately, it is probably to late to mend the cultural schisms that we have created. Only extreme measures can change that.

I'd agree with this, more or less. The problem isn't really with migration, refugees etc, that's all more or less sustainable.

The problem is that around 500,000 migrate to the UK each year, and around 225,000 emigrate each year. That's an unsustainable increase, and needs to be curbed. 42% of that figure comes from inside the EU, 58% from outside - and the vast majority is for work.

The problem is that migration to the UK has been adapted by successive governments to fulfill the demands of corporate interests, rather than society, and consequently, this undermines social cohesion (rapid, large scale change, rather than gradual).

Don't forget also that immigrants have children which can double/triple the effect on population.

Something that many ignore. The fact is that it is immigrants that tend to have the most children and that will change the face of Britain in a very short time.
Some might say, so what, but remember that those people vote and their opinion will effect the wider population before too long. It has already begun.

Aside from that, imagine a growing problem where various religious groups carry on their little squabbles reflecting what is happening in the Middle East or Asia for example. It is a scary thought.
The trouble is that most people just aren't enlightened enough to accept each others differences or cast off their religious ball and chain in pursuit of a more cohesive society. America has had a multi ethnic society for many more years than us and there is no sigh of meaningful cohesion. In general, people still stick to their racial/religious groups. Sadly this does not bode well for the future of Britain.

Interestingly though this only really applies to the first generation, less to the second generation and almost never to the third generation. The whole 60s paranoia of how the Blacks or Indian's or pakistanis will replace the whites as the majority, never materialized. And its because its based on a false concept, the idea that its economically sustainable - usually in terms of first generation migrants, it was - because they entered into family businesses, and children could contribute, and the extended family could provide child care. However their kids generally grew up and went either into the family business or careers and jobs, and then larger families become economically unsustainable. By the third generation, the 'family business' tends to be shunned, because the income from outside is better.

Its an issue, but not one to be overly concerned about. Plenty of white people who are British have very large families, usually with multiple partners and no economic sustainability.

The US is a poor model of comparison. The US has always had a massive racial and religious problem, even until very recently, on a scale that never was seen here. Its also worth noting that Chinese and Indian migrants have generally intergrated very well, where as those who tend to be the target of the most prejudice, black and Muslim, have the worst.

Racism is definitely a two way street, but the kind of prejudice exhibited in the 60s and 70s, against West Indians, well its not surprising that it created communities that were isolated and wanted nothing to do with society. And we're doing the same thing with Muslim communities, by targeting whole groups, because of issues with a few.

I agree with that to a degree but separatism as a result of prejudice cannot be seen as a white caused problem. Prejudice is universal as you imply and any one going to a new country should not be expecting an easy ride.

The whole concept of tolerance is a wonderful ideal but you cannot expect Westerners to accept female genital mutilation, honour killings, witchcraft or any other absurdity that immigrants bring with them. There are some cultural traits that must not be accepted. Many are unlawful for one thing.

Your assertion about numbers is dependent on immigration slowing or stopping. If there is a constant stream of migrants then there will always be a new first generation of migrants to have a disproportionate number of offspring.

There are definitely some cultures that integrate better than others and a lesson should be learned from that. Some cultures obviously need to try harder.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Oct 15 3.33pm
Quote twist at 06 Oct 2015 2.33pm Why is it that economy seems to be the major factor for the government when looking at immigration ? I was back in England a week back and the traffic was a nightmare pretty much everywhere i went. If your lessening the quality of life for your average citizen by increasing the population, why does a tiny growth in economy even matter ? I have to note that i ate out 3 times a day, and only the last time i ate out was i served by a Brit. All the other times my server had an accent and the service was fantastic, the last time with the Brit, it was average at best and she trod on my foot The food everywhere was horrible mind, except for the last one (the Brit) where the Steak and Ale pie was fantastic. Waiting tables as a Brit is fairly st money, where as, in the UK, as a Pole, say, if your going back to Poland (or sending money there) its suddenly very good money thanks to the exchange rate. But also a lot of British people are surly cts with limited prospects, where as in my experience many of the Eastern European migrants, especially the women, are very highly qualified. When I was at Fujitsu, the two women, Polish, who run the kitchen and sandwich bar, had a three post graduate qualifications between the two of them. You'd think they'd be the ones p*ssed off that they were serving food to less qualified people, but they weren't they seemed really chirpy. Where as the previous staff were surly slop dollopers some of whom would struggle to outsmart a corpse. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote twist at 06 Oct 2015 2.33pm

Why is it that economy seems to be the major factor for the government when looking at immigration ?

The food everywhere was horrible mind, except for the last one (the Brit) where the Steak and Ale pie was fantastic.

Waiting tables as a Brit is fairly s**t money, where as, in the UK, as a Pole, say, if your going back to Poland (or sending money there) its suddenly very good money thanks to the exchange rate.

But also a lot of British people are surly c**ts with limited prospects, where as in my experience many of the Eastern European migrants, especially the women, are very highly qualified. When I was at Fujitsu, the two women, Polish, who run the kitchen and sandwich bar, had a three post graduate qualifications between the two of them.

You'd think they'd be the ones p*ssed off that they were serving food to less qualified people, but they weren't they seemed really chirpy.

Where as the previous staff were surly slop dollopers some of whom would struggle to outsmart a corpse.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Oct 15 3.41pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 06 Oct 2015 3.30pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Oct 2015 1.57pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 06 Oct 2015 12.56pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 06 Oct 2015 12.18pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Oct 2015 12.10pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 06 Oct 2015 11.57am Trickle immigration is a good thing for the gene pool but the kind of numbers we have seen in the last 20 years have been insanely large. Shame on the decision makers for putting money before people. My personal theory on this is that the pill is largely responsible for this. A rapidly declining birth rate in the last century plus two world wars has caused politicians to panic and encourage large numbers of tax paying, cheap labour from abroad. The EU free movement laws have made everything worse. It's simple. We need to restrict immigration and encourage people to have more children. Unfortunately, it is probably to late to mend the cultural schisms that we have created. Only extreme measures can change that. I'd agree with this, more or less. The problem isn't really with migration, refugees etc, that's all more or less sustainable. The problem is that around 500,000 migrate to the UK each year, and around 225,000 emigrate each year. That's an unsustainable increase, and needs to be curbed. 42% of that figure comes from inside the EU, 58% from outside - and the vast majority is for work. The problem is that migration to the UK has been adapted by successive governments to fulfill the demands of corporate interests, rather than society, and consequently, this undermines social cohesion (rapid, large scale change, rather than gradual). Don't forget also that immigrants have children which can double/triple the effect on population. Something that many ignore. The fact is that it is immigrants that tend to have the most children and that will change the face of Britain in a very short time. Some might say, so what, but remember that those people vote and their opinion will effect the wider population before too long. It has already begun. Aside from that, imagine a growing problem where various religious groups carry on their little squabbles reflecting what is happening in the Middle East or Asia for example. It is a scary thought. The trouble is that most people just aren't enlightened enough to accept each others differences or cast off their religious ball and chain in pursuit of a more cohesive society. America has had a multi ethnic society for many more years than us and there is no sigh of meaningful cohesion. In general, people still stick to their racial/religious groups. Sadly this does not bode well for the future of Britain. Interestingly though this only really applies to the first generation, less to the second generation and almost never to the third generation. The whole 60s paranoia of how the Blacks or Indian's or pakistanis will replace the whites as the majority, never materialized. And its because its based on a false concept, the idea that its economically sustainable - usually in terms of first generation migrants, it was - because they entered into family businesses, and children could contribute, and the extended family could provide child care. However their kids generally grew up and went either into the family business or careers and jobs, and then larger families become economically unsustainable. By the third generation, the 'family business' tends to be shunned, because the income from outside is better. Its an issue, but not one to be overly concerned about. Plenty of white people who are British have very large families, usually with multiple partners and no economic sustainability. The US is a poor model of comparison. The US has always had a massive racial and religious problem, even until very recently, on a scale that never was seen here. Its also worth noting that Chinese and Indian migrants have generally intergrated very well, where as those who tend to be the target of the most prejudice, black and Muslim, have the worst. Racism is definitely a two way street, but the kind of prejudice exhibited in the 60s and 70s, against West Indians, well its not surprising that it created communities that were isolated and wanted nothing to do with society. And we're doing the same thing with Muslim communities, by targeting whole groups, because of issues with a few. I agree with that to a degree but separatism as a result of prejudice cannot be seen as a white caused problem. Prejudice is universal as you imply and any one going to a new country should not be expecting an easy ride. The whole concept of tolerance is a wonderful ideal but you cannot expect Westerners to accept female genital mutilation, honour killings, witchcraft or any other absurdity that immigrants bring with them. There are some cultural traits that must not be accepted. Many are unlawful for one thing. Your assertion about numbers is dependent on immigration slowing or stopping. If there is a constant stream of migrants then there will always be a new first generation of migrants to have a disproportionate number of offspring. There are definitely some cultures that integrate better than others and a lesson should be learned from that. Some cultures obviously need to try harder. I think the problem initially stems from the way that people tend to think those horrors are the norm in that community. They exist, and they need to be stamped out, but a lot of people who came here maybe to get away from that, or where victims who've come here so their kids could avoid it, end up being stigmatized by the hate these things inspire, and that is dangerous, because it drives those people closer into insular groups, and the more 'fantatical' minority who retain such practices. Things like honor killings are terrible, but they are fairly rare in the UK, and they aren't the fault of a whole community but of those few who can't let the old world ways go (arguably the least integrated). But the more we as a community isolate and demonise parts of our community, the more those kinds of people hold sway. When you look at the people in a ethnic community, you generally find that those who are least willing to integrate are those who cling to their old identity. Most want a balance, they don't necessarily want to let go of their origins, but they also want to embrace some of the freedoms of their new home. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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I'd agree with this, more or less. The problem isn't really with migration, refugees etc, that's all more or less sustainable.

Don't forget also that immigrants have children which can double/triple the effect on population.

Its an issue, but not one to be overly concerned about. Plenty of white people who are British have very large families, usually with multiple partners and no economic sustainability.

The whole concept of tolerance is a wonderful ideal but you cannot expect Westerners to accept female genital mutilation, honour killings, witchcraft or any other absurdity that immigrants bring with them. There are some cultural traits that must not be accepted. Many are unlawful for one thing.

There are definitely some cultures that integrate better than others and a lesson should be learned from that. Some cultures obviously need to try harder.

I think the problem initially stems from the way that people tend to think those horrors are the norm in that community. They exist, and they need to be stamped out, but a lot of people who came here maybe to get away from that, or where victims who've come here so their kids could avoid it, end up being stigmatized by the hate these things inspire, and that is dangerous, because it drives those people closer into insular groups, and the more 'fantatical' minority who retain such practices.

Things like honor killings are terrible, but they are fairly rare in the UK, and they aren't the fault of a whole community but of those few who can't let the old world ways go (arguably the least integrated). But the more we as a community isolate and demonise parts of our community, the more those kinds of people hold sway.

When you look at the people in a ethnic community, you generally find that those who are least willing to integrate are those who cling to their old identity. Most want a balance, they don't necessarily want to let go of their origins, but they also want to embrace some of the freedoms of their new home.

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bright&wright 06 Oct 15 3.48pm
Quote DanH at 06 Oct 2015 12.37pm Quote bright&wright at 06 Oct 2015 12.29pm If high immigration worked so well why don't people go to West Croydon for a weekend away instead of Cornwall? Pick a town/city with high immigration in the UK and I guarantee you - it's a shthole. One of the most ridiculous points ever made on here. Good work. In your opinion. Which, to me, means fck all. And I'm not wrong am I? 'We are going to make a little bit of history here’ Mr. J. Ertl.
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If high immigration worked so well why don't people go to West Croydon for a weekend away instead of Cornwall?

Pick a town/city with high immigration in the UK and I guarantee you - it's a sh*thole.

One of the most ridiculous points ever made on here. Good work.

In your opinion. Which, to me, means f*ck all.

And I'm not wrong am I?

'We are going to make a little bit of history here’ Mr. J. Ertl.

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bright&wright 06 Oct 15 3.50pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Oct 2015 2.01pm Quote Forest Hillbilly at 06 Oct 2015 1.44pm How many Palace players are immigrants ? Speroni,...Cabaye,...Bolasie,...CY Lee,... Jedinak, Hangeland,... and even though Palace have one of the highest proportions of English players, that is why the English national side is shlt. Zaha, Souare, Sako, Delanney, Chammakh, Appiah, McCarthy (Paddy - I think). Brilliant. Naming a dozen footballers, who are paid tens of thousands of pounds, definitely confirms that mass immigration works. Congrats. 'We are going to make a little bit of history here’ Mr. J. Ertl.
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Quote Forest Hillbilly at 06 Oct 2015 1.44pm

How many Palace players are immigrants ?

Speroni,...Cabaye,...Bolasie,...CY Lee,... Jedinak, Hangeland,...

and even though Palace have one of the highest proportions of English players, that is why the English national side is shlt.

Zaha, Souare, Sako, Delanney, Chammakh, Appiah, McCarthy (Paddy - I think).

Brilliant. Naming a dozen footballers, who are paid tens of thousands of pounds, definitely confirms that mass immigration works.

Congrats.

'We are going to make a little bit of history here’ Mr. J. Ertl.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Oct 15 4.11pm
Quote bright&wright at 06 Oct 2015 3.50pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Oct 2015 2.01pm Quote Forest Hillbilly at 06 Oct 2015 1.44pm How many Palace players are immigrants ? Speroni,...Cabaye,...Bolasie,...CY Lee,... Jedinak, Hangeland,... and even though Palace have one of the highest proportions of English players, that is why the English national side is shlt. Zaha, Souare, Sako, Delanney, Chammakh, Appiah, McCarthy (Paddy - I think). Brilliant. Naming a dozen footballers, who are paid tens of thousands of pounds, definitely confirms that mass immigration works. Congrats. They're immigrants, and there working immigrants, arguably taking a job from a UK citizen. What is the difference? That you like football. The same rules apply. It doesn't matter if you're a working migrant earning 20k a year or 50k a week. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Forest Hillbilly at 06 Oct 2015 1.44pm

How many Palace players are immigrants ?

Speroni,...Cabaye,...Bolasie,...CY Lee,... Jedinak, Hangeland,...

and even though Palace have one of the highest proportions of English players, that is why the English national side is shlt.

Zaha, Souare, Sako, Delanney, Chammakh, Appiah, McCarthy (Paddy - I think).

Brilliant. Naming a dozen footballers, who are paid tens of thousands of pounds, definitely confirms that mass immigration works.

Congrats.

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Quote bright&wright at 06 Oct 2015 3.50pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Oct 2015 2.01pm Quote Forest Hillbilly at 06 Oct 2015 1.44pm How many Palace players are immigrants ? Speroni,...Cabaye,...Bolasie,...CY Lee,... Jedinak, Hangeland,... and even though Palace have one of the highest proportions of English players, that is why the English national side is shlt. Zaha, Souare, Sako, Delanney, Chammakh, Appiah, McCarthy (Paddy - I think). Brilliant. Naming a dozen footballers, who are paid tens of thousands of pounds, definitely confirms that mass immigration works. Congrats. They're immigrants, and there working immigrants, arguably taking a job from a UK citizen. What is the difference? That you like football. The same rules apply. It doesn't matter if you're a working migrant earning 20k a year or 50k a week (Actually Zaha isn't an immigrant, he's was an immigrant he is naturalised and Moses was an asylum applicant). Edited by jamiemartin721 (06 Oct 2015 4.12pm) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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How many Palace players are immigrants ?

Speroni,...Cabaye,...Bolasie,...CY Lee,... Jedinak, Hangeland,...

and even though Palace have one of the highest proportions of English players, that is why the English national side is shlt.

Zaha, Souare, Sako, Delanney, Chammakh, Appiah, McCarthy (Paddy - I think).

Brilliant. Naming a dozen footballers, who are paid tens of thousands of pounds, definitely confirms that mass immigration works.

Congrats.

They're immigrants, and there working immigrants, arguably taking a job from a UK citizen. What is the difference? That you like football. The same rules apply. It doesn't matter if you're a working migrant earning 20k a year or 50k a week (Actually Zaha isn't an immigrant, he's was an immigrant he is naturalised and Moses was an asylum applicant).

Edited by jamiemartin721 (06 Oct 2015 4.12pm)

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Quote bright&wright at 06 Oct 2015 3.48pm Quote DanH at 06 Oct 2015 12.37pm Quote bright&wright at 06 Oct 2015 12.29pm If high immigration worked so well why don't people go to West Croydon for a weekend away instead of Cornwall? Pick a town/city with high immigration in the UK and I guarantee you - it's a shthole. One of the most ridiculous points ever made on here. Good work. In your opinion. Which, to me, means fck all. And I'm not wrong am I? You are, because London has a high level of Immigration and is the center of UK tourism. West Croydon has never been a popular spot for tourism - and arguably has been a 's**t hole', to quote you, for a long as I can remember. South London has always had problems with poverty, gangs and violence. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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If high immigration worked so well why don't people go to West Croydon for a weekend away instead of Cornwall?

Pick a town/city with high immigration in the UK and I guarantee you - it's a sh*thole.

One of the most ridiculous points ever made on here. Good work.

In your opinion. Which, to me, means f*ck all.

And I'm not wrong am I?

You are, because London has a high level of Immigration and is the center of UK tourism. West Croydon has never been a popular spot for tourism - and arguably has been a 's**t hole', to quote you, for a long as I can remember.

South London has always had problems with poverty, gangs and violence.

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Quote bright&wright at 06 Oct 2015 3.50pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Oct 2015 2.01pm Quote Forest Hillbilly at 06 Oct 2015 1.44pm How many Palace players are immigrants ? Speroni,...Cabaye,...Bolasie,...CY Lee,... Jedinak, Hangeland,... and even though Palace have one of the highest proportions of English players, that is why the English national side is shlt. Zaha, Souare, Sako, Delanney, Chammakh, Appiah, McCarthy (Paddy - I think). Brilliant. Naming a dozen footballers, who are paid tens of thousands of pounds, definitely confirms that mass immigration works. Congrats. I don't think mass immigration works. For immigration to work, you need to balance the changes across time, rather than have nearly twice as many migrants as emigrants. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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How many Palace players are immigrants ?

Speroni,...Cabaye,...Bolasie,...CY Lee,... Jedinak, Hangeland,...

and even though Palace have one of the highest proportions of English players, that is why the English national side is shlt.

Zaha, Souare, Sako, Delanney, Chammakh, Appiah, McCarthy (Paddy - I think).

Brilliant. Naming a dozen footballers, who are paid tens of thousands of pounds, definitely confirms that mass immigration works.

Congrats.

I don't think mass immigration works. For immigration to work, you need to balance the changes across time, rather than have nearly twice as many migrants as emigrants.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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