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legaleagle 14 Aug 15 11.13pm
As was explained in the press at the time, re the "report" you refer to: "the £2bn figure might be a memorable number but it's also rather higher than the government is claiming. The report says: "We think that this probably in the range £1.5bn to £1.9bn." (sic) That's also a long way off the rough estimate the health secretary, Jeremy Hunt, gave in July, when the audit was launched. Back then, the lower estimate given was just £12m – 167 times lower than today's figures. The reason for that is a leap in the definition of "health tourist". The £12m figure comes from NHS data on how much it spent on treating foreign nationals in 2011/12 (which was £33m) and the money it was able to claim back from those individuals. The remaining figure of £11.5m was unpaid charges that the NHS had to write off." What was it I wrote earlier?: "In 2010,"health tourists" spent an estimated £219m on hotels, restaurants, shopping and transport in the UK". Edited by legaleagle (14 Aug 2015 11.51pm)
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14 Aug 15 11.13pm

As was explained in the press at the time, re the "report" you refer to:

"the £2bn figure might be a memorable number but it's also rather higher than the government is claiming. The report says:

"We think that this probably in the range £1.5bn to £1.9bn." (sic)

That's also a long way off the rough estimate the health secretary, Jeremy Hunt, gave in July, when the audit was launched. Back then, the lower estimate given was just £12m – 167 times lower than today's figures.

The reason for that is a leap in the definition of "health tourist". The £12m figure comes from NHS data on how much it spent on treating foreign nationals in 2011/12 (which was £33m) and the money it was able to claim back from those individuals. The remaining figure of £11.5m was unpaid charges that the NHS had to write off."

What was it I wrote earlier?:

"In 2010,"health tourists" spent an estimated £219m on hotels, restaurants, shopping and transport in the UK".

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leggedstruggle Croydon 15 Aug 15 6.48am
As already stated, the £2 billion figure is a conservative estimate (note the small 'c') as a large number of NHS facilities refuse to even check the status of those they are treating. This irresponsible approach is to avoid being tainted with racism by politically correct zealots like you. I presume you put some of these people up at your home to reduce their hotel bills, or do you make a few quid out of it too? This idea that health tourists spend an estimated £219m on hotels, restaurants, shopping and transport in the UK, so therefore this stealing from the NHS is ok, is like saying murder is ok as it helps the undertaking industry. Any nearer to publishing your reasons for having immigration controls and the problems they address? Edited by leggedstruggle (15 Aug 2015 9.38am) mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 15 Aug 15 6.48am

As already stated, the £2 billion figure is a conservative estimate (note the small 'c') as a large number of NHS facilities refuse to even check the status of those they are treating. This irresponsible approach is to avoid being tainted with racism by politically correct zealots like you. I presume you put some of these people up at your home to reduce their hotel bills, or do you make a few quid out of it too?

This idea that health tourists spend an estimated £219m on hotels, restaurants, shopping and transport in the UK, so therefore this stealing from the NHS is ok, is like saying murder is ok as it helps the undertaking industry.

Any nearer to publishing your reasons for having immigration controls and the problems they address?

Edited by leggedstruggle (15 Aug 2015 9.38am)

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matt_himself Matataland 15 Aug 15 9.11am
Quote Pikester at 14 Aug 2015 7.22pm Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Aug 2015 6.16pm And stop providing nonsense like sex changes and fertility treatment. The NHS is to heal the sick, ffs. Funny that you say that now - changed your tune from 2 years ago......Dorothy. I don't hear Cucking saying that the NHS should stop removing alien objects, for example marrows & de-clawed hamsters, that are immovably lodged in human body cavities, for some reason. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Quote Pikester at 14 Aug 2015 7.22pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Aug 2015 6.16pm

And stop providing nonsense like sex changes and fertility treatment. The NHS is to heal the sick, ffs.

Funny that you say that now - changed your tune from 2 years ago......Dorothy.

I don't hear Cucking saying that the NHS should stop removing alien objects, for example marrows & de-clawed hamsters, that are immovably lodged in human body cavities, for some reason.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 15 Aug 15 9.37am
Quote matt_himself at 15 Aug 2015 9.11am Quote Pikester at 14 Aug 2015 7.22pm Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Aug 2015 6.16pm And stop providing nonsense like sex changes and fertility treatment. The NHS is to heal the sick, ffs. Funny that you say that now - changed your tune from 2 years ago......Dorothy. I don't hear Cucking saying that the NHS should stop removing alien objects, for example marrows & de-clawed hamsters, that are immovably lodged in human body cavities, for some reason. Obviously, that's completely different. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 15 Aug 15 9.37am

Quote matt_himself at 15 Aug 2015 9.11am

Quote Pikester at 14 Aug 2015 7.22pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Aug 2015 6.16pm

And stop providing nonsense like sex changes and fertility treatment. The NHS is to heal the sick, ffs.

Funny that you say that now - changed your tune from 2 years ago......Dorothy.

I don't hear Cucking saying that the NHS should stop removing alien objects, for example marrows & de-clawed hamsters, that are immovably lodged in human body cavities, for some reason.

Obviously, that's completely different.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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jamiemartin721 Reading 15 Aug 15 10.20am
Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Aug 2015 6.16pm And stop providing nonsense like sex changes and fertility treatment. The NHS is to heal the sick, ffs. The first is an identified medical disorder. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Aug 2015 6.16pm

And stop providing nonsense like sex changes and fertility treatment. The NHS is to heal the sick, ffs.

The first is an identified medical disorder.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 15 Aug 15 10.25am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Aug 2015 10.20am Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Aug 2015 6.16pm And stop providing nonsense like sex changes and fertility treatment. The NHS is to heal the sick, ffs. The first is an identified medical disorder. What the fck are you doing as a moderator??? Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham*
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Clapham on the Back 15 Aug 15 10.25am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Aug 2015 10.20am

Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Aug 2015 6.16pm

And stop providing nonsense like sex changes and fertility treatment. The NHS is to heal the sick, ffs.

The first is an identified medical disorder.

What the f*ck are you doing as a moderator???

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 15 Aug 15 12.17pm
Quote legaleagle at 14 Aug 2015 8.23pm According to the BMA: "Recent research suggests that people coming from overseas to receive healthcare in the UK actually provide valuable revenue for the NHS. A study by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and University of York5 shows that in 2010-11,18 NHS trusts made £43 million in combined income from overseas visitors paying for their treatment. In this 12 month period, 52,000 people who entered the UK declared that seeking healthcare was the primary reason for their visit. By contrast, the Government’s latest research estimates that the number of people coming to the UK for free healthcare is currently between 5,000-20,000 per year. By this measure, the number paying for treatment is more than double that receiving it free, meaning that the NHS is very likely to be making a net profit from treating non-UK patients." According to the BBC: NHS "health tourism" includes "students, workers on visas, tourists, immigrants, expats popping back to see their old GP and yes "health tourists". There are arrangements to reclaim those costs from countries in the European Economic Area and from countries like Australia and New Zealand". That's BS. They don't pay and f*** off back to their home country. The NHS usually never retrieve the money. I wonder how much that costs the NHS? Probably millions. Health tourism should be banned
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Quote legaleagle at 14 Aug 2015 8.23pm

According to the BMA:

"Recent research suggests that people coming from overseas to receive healthcare in the UK actually provide valuable revenue for the NHS. A study by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and University of York5 shows that in 2010-11,18 NHS trusts made £43 million in combined income from overseas visitors paying for their treatment. In this 12 month period, 52,000 people who entered the UK declared that seeking healthcare was the primary reason for their visit. By contrast, the Government’s latest research estimates that the number of people coming to the UK for free healthcare is currently between 5,000-20,000 per year. By this measure, the number paying for treatment is more than double that receiving it free, meaning that the NHS is very likely to be making a net profit from treating non-UK patients."

According to the BBC:

NHS "health tourism" includes "students, workers on visas, tourists, immigrants, expats popping back to see their old GP and yes "health tourists".

There are arrangements to reclaim those costs from countries in the European Economic Area and from countries like Australia and New Zealand".

That's BS. They don't pay and f*** off back to their home country. The NHS usually never retrieve the money. I wonder how much that costs the NHS? Probably millions. Health tourism should be banned

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leggedstruggle Croydon 15 Aug 15 12.28pm
Quote fed up eagle at 15 Aug 2015 12.17pm Quote legaleagle at 14 Aug 2015 8.23pm According to the BMA: "Recent research suggests that people coming from overseas to receive healthcare in the UK actually provide valuable revenue for the NHS. A study by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and University of York5 shows that in 2010-11,18 NHS trusts made £43 million in combined income from overseas visitors paying for their treatment. In this 12 month period, 52,000 people who entered the UK declared that seeking healthcare was the primary reason for their visit. By contrast, the Government’s latest research estimates that the number of people coming to the UK for free healthcare is currently between 5,000-20,000 per year. By this measure, the number paying for treatment is more than double that receiving it free, meaning that the NHS is very likely to be making a net profit from treating non-UK patients." According to the BBC: NHS "health tourism" includes "students, workers on visas, tourists, immigrants, expats popping back to see their old GP and yes "health tourists". There are arrangements to reclaim those costs from countries in the European Economic Area and from countries like Australia and New Zealand". That's BS. They don't pay and f*** off back to their home country. The NHS usually never retrieve the money. I wonder how much that costs the NHS? Probably millions. Health tourism should be banned As you say Fed, it is legaleagle's speciality taking some random figures and presenting them as some sort of justification for activities that we all know are damaging to the country - the government say it is costing the NHS around £2 billion. He does this on all sorts of issues. However, he is very backward in telling us why we need immigration controls and the problems they address. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 15 Aug 15 12.28pm

Quote fed up eagle at 15 Aug 2015 12.17pm

Quote legaleagle at 14 Aug 2015 8.23pm

According to the BMA:

According to the BBC:

NHS "health tourism" includes "students, workers on visas, tourists, immigrants, expats popping back to see their old GP and yes "health tourists".

There are arrangements to reclaim those costs from countries in the European Economic Area and from countries like Australia and New Zealand".

That's BS. They don't pay and f*** off back to their home country. The NHS usually never retrieve the money. I wonder how much that costs the NHS? Probably millions. Health tourism should be banned

As you say Fed, it is legaleagle's speciality taking some random figures and presenting them as some sort of justification for activities that we all know are damaging to the country - the government say it is costing the NHS around £2 billion. He does this on all sorts of issues. However, he is very backward in telling us why we need immigration controls and the problems they address.

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legaleagle 15 Aug 15 12.29pm
Funny how prejudice can often not equate with reality. Department of Health research published in 2013: "Of the 27 trusts that provided data, hospitals earned £194.6m from treating private patients in 2010/11. • On average a third of that income came from patients that weren't from the UK. Together, they generated approximately £220m for the UK economy. • In Sheffield Children's NHS Foundation Trust, 97% of income from private patients was from those that weren't from the UK. In Birmingham Children's Hospital NHS Foundation Trust, it was 88.3%. • The nine most common countries of origin for patients being treated in the UK (along with the approximate number of patients in 2010) were: 1. Ireland (13,000) 2. Cyprus (6,000) 3. Spain (5,000) 4. Greece (3,500) 5. Nigeria (3,250) 6. Kuwait (2,750) 7. Portugal (2,250) 8. France (1,750) 9. UAE (1,000) • In 2010, more UK residents were treated abroad than non-UK residents were treated in the UK. Those UK residents sought fertility treatments, cosmetic and bariatric (weight loss) surgery. • Between 2000 and 2010, over 100,000 UK residents sought treatment in France, Poland, India, Spain, Germany the US and, to a lesser extent, in dozens of other countries. Certain treatments are associated with specific destinations - for example "UK dental patients increasingly travel to Hungary and Poland, which corresponds to the varied availability of NHS dental treatment over the last decade". As for the "£2bn figure" (actually c.167 times less)that's been dealt with earlier in the thread. As for "immigration controls" good to see a poster taking note of requests to confine such topics and requests to relevant threads.(Not as if the poster in question is obsessed with immigrants or anything like that,is it). Edited by legaleagle (15 Aug 2015 12.33pm)
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Funny how prejudice can often not equate with reality. Department of Health research published in 2013:

"Of the 27 trusts that provided data, hospitals earned £194.6m from treating private patients in 2010/11.
• On average a third of that income came from patients that weren't from the UK. Together, they generated approximately £220m for the UK economy.
• In Sheffield Children's NHS Foundation Trust, 97% of income from private patients was from those that weren't from the UK. In Birmingham Children's Hospital NHS Foundation Trust, it was 88.3%.
• The nine most common countries of origin for patients being treated in the UK (along with the approximate number of patients in 2010) were:

1. Ireland (13,000)
2. Cyprus (6,000)
3. Spain (5,000)
4. Greece (3,500)
5. Nigeria (3,250)
6. Kuwait (2,750)
7. Portugal (2,250)
8. France (1,750)
9. UAE (1,000)

• In 2010, more UK residents were treated abroad than non-UK residents were treated in the UK. Those UK residents sought fertility treatments, cosmetic and bariatric (weight loss) surgery.
• Between 2000 and 2010, over 100,000 UK residents sought treatment in France, Poland, India, Spain, Germany the US and, to a lesser extent, in dozens of other countries. Certain treatments are associated with specific destinations - for example "UK dental patients increasingly travel to Hungary and Poland, which corresponds to the varied availability of NHS dental treatment over the last decade".

As for the "£2bn figure" (actually c.167 times less)that's been dealt with earlier in the thread.

As for "immigration controls" good to see a poster taking note of requests to confine such topics and requests to relevant threads.(Not as if the poster in question is obsessed with immigrants or anything like that,is it).

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leggedstruggle Croydon 15 Aug 15 12.40pm
Quote legaleagle at 15 Aug 2015 12.29pm Funny how prejudice can often not equate with reality. Department of Health research published in 2013: "Of the 27 trusts that provided data, hospitals earned £194.6m from treating private patients in 2010/11. • On average a third of that income came from patients that weren't from the UK. Together, they generated approximately £220m for the UK economy. • In Sheffield Children's NHS Foundation Trust, 97% of income from private patients was from those that weren't from the UK. In Birmingham Children's Hospital NHS Foundation Trust, it was 88.3%. • The nine most common countries of origin for patients being treated in the UK (along with the approximate number of patients in 2010) were: 1. Ireland (13,000) 2. Cyprus (6,000) 3. Spain (5,000) 4. Greece (3,500) 5. Nigeria (3,250) 6. Kuwait (2,750) 7. Portugal (2,250) 8. France (1,750) 9. UAE (1,000) • In 2010, more UK residents were treated abroad than non-UK residents were treated in the UK. Those UK residents sought fertility treatments, cosmetic and bariatric (weight loss) surgery. • Between 2000 and 2010, over 100,000 UK residents sought treatment in France, Poland, India, Spain, Germany the US and, to a lesser extent, in dozens of other countries. Certain treatments are associated with specific destinations - for example "UK dental patients increasingly travel to Hungary and Poland, which corresponds to the varied availability of NHS dental treatment over the last decade". As for the "£2bn figure" (actually c.167 times less)that's been dealt with earlier in the thread. As for "immigration controls" good to see a poster taking note of requests to confine such topics and requests to relevant threads.(Not as if the poster in question is obsessed with immigrants or anything like that,is it). Edited by legaleagle (15 Aug 2015 12.33pm) All you have to do is answer a couple of simple questions and I shall stop asking: why do we need immigration controls and what are the problems they address. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Quote legaleagle at 15 Aug 2015 12.29pm

Funny how prejudice can often not equate with reality. Department of Health research published in 2013:

1. Ireland (13,000)
2. Cyprus (6,000)
3. Spain (5,000)
4. Greece (3,500)
5. Nigeria (3,250)
6. Kuwait (2,750)
7. Portugal (2,250)
8. France (1,750)
9. UAE (1,000)

As for the "£2bn figure" (actually c.167 times less)that's been dealt with earlier in the thread.

Edited by legaleagle (15 Aug 2015 12.33pm)

All you have to do is answer a couple of simple questions and I shall stop asking: why do we need immigration controls and what are the problems they address.

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Pikester Worthing 15 Aug 15 2.38pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 15 Aug 2015 9.37am Quote matt_himself at 15 Aug 2015 9.11am Quote Pikester at 14 Aug 2015 7.22pm Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Aug 2015 6.16pm And stop providing nonsense like sex changes and fertility treatment. The NHS is to heal the sick, ffs. Funny that you say that now - changed your tune from 2 years ago......Dorothy. I don't hear Cucking saying that the NHS should stop removing alien objects, for example marrows & de-clawed hamsters, that are immovably lodged in human body cavities, for some reason. Obviously, that's completely different. de-clawed? Wadda wimp. You fed me, you bred me, I'll remember your name.
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Quote Cucking Funt at 15 Aug 2015 9.37am

Quote matt_himself at 15 Aug 2015 9.11am

Quote Pikester at 14 Aug 2015 7.22pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Aug 2015 6.16pm

And stop providing nonsense like sex changes and fertility treatment. The NHS is to heal the sick, ffs.

Funny that you say that now - changed your tune from 2 years ago......Dorothy.

I don't hear Cucking saying that the NHS should stop removing alien objects, for example marrows & de-clawed hamsters, that are immovably lodged in human body cavities, for some reason.

Obviously, that's completely different.

de-clawed? Wadda wimp.

You fed me, you bred me, I'll remember your name.

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