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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 28 May 15 12.52pm
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wherever I lay my hat....... 28 May 15 12.52pm

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"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 May 15 1.06pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2015 12.37pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 May 2015 11.45am All kids should be made to read 'Animal Farm' by George Orwell. Maybe some of them might pick up on the message.... Many are, few however ever have to read 'The Jungle' by Upton Sinclair or 'The Wretched of the Earth' by Franz Fannon. Both equally erudite observations of systems that fail people. Add The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists to that list.
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Shizzlehurst 28 May 15 1.06pm

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All kids should be made to read 'Animal Farm' by George Orwell.

Maybe some of them might pick up on the message....

Many are, few however ever have to read 'The Jungle' by Upton Sinclair or 'The Wretched of the Earth' by Franz Fannon.

Both equally erudite observations of systems that fail people.

Add The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists to that list.

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 28 May 15 1.07pm
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Ahhh great when right and left start arguing in some 'who's bestest top trumps'......like watching two bald men fight over a comb..

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 May 15 1.07pm
Quote dannyh at 28 May 2015 12.52pm Making a post look a bit camp Check. For those of us watching in black and white, is the pink above the red?
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Quote dannyh at 28 May 2015 12.52pm

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For those of us watching in black and white, is the pink above the red?

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 28 May 15 1.08pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2015 12.37pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 May 2015 11.45am All kids should be made to read 'Animal Farm' by George Orwell. Maybe some of them might pick up on the message.... Many are, few however ever have to read 'The Jungle' by Upton Sinclair or 'The Wretched of the Earth' by Franz Fannon. Both equally erudite observations of systems that fail people. I have always had 'Keep the Aspidestra Flying' by Orwell down as the best critique of the illogical nature of socialism and poverty meself... As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 28 May 15 1.08pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 May 2015 12.37pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 28 May 2015 11.45am

All kids should be made to read 'Animal Farm' by George Orwell.

Maybe some of them might pick up on the message....

Many are, few however ever have to read 'The Jungle' by Upton Sinclair or 'The Wretched of the Earth' by Franz Fannon.

Both equally erudite observations of systems that fail people.

I have always had 'Keep the Aspidestra Flying' by Orwell down as the best critique of the illogical nature of socialism and poverty meself...

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derben 28 May 15 1.10pm
Quote serial thriller at 28 May 2015 12.40pm Quote derben at 28 May 2015 12.32pm Quote serial thriller at 28 May 2015 12.09pm Quote derben at 28 May 2015 11.48am So if was not for the evil USA, all these attempts to build Socialism would succeed? It is not that is just doesn't work then? Are the 'Kurds in Northern Syria' a Socialist country then? Are immigrants flooding in to share in the largese of the Kurdish region and the Spanish communes and South American Socialist states? Or are their populations in fact clamouring to get out. Successful Capitalist countries, the majority of them - top ten most prosperous countries are thought to be: Norway, Denmark, Finland, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, Canada, Switzerland, Netherlands, USA. That first point suggests you haven't read my original post. I am sceptical of many Socialist projects, many are very discriminatory and corrupt and thus regardless of American interference I wouldn't personally deem them as successful - if Cuba is locking up homosexuals then they are not worth any egalitarian status. BUT to ignore the role that American covert intervention has played, particularly in South America is to be blinded by your Capitalist ideology. Point 2. Of course people aren't flooding in to Rojava and neighbouring areas, they're being bombed the fck out of by people who want to butcher them! They are an autonomous region based on the principles of Anarchist-Communism, which is really fcking incredible given the situation they are in, but they are fighting a war, and while many Kurds from surrounding areas are supporting them, being in a war zone is not conducive to welcoming in many refugees! As far as I'm aware though, migration from South American nations and Spanish towns like Marinaleda are as you would expect. These are incredibly impoverished areas, not really capable of housing migrants on a mass scale, although the proliferation of their ideology in local areas is encouraging. This really brings me on to your last point. If you're going to judge a nation's success on their financial prosperity then you not only exclude most Socialist nations whose focus on egalitarianism supersedes economic growth, but you are also ignoring the systematic vices of nations like Australia and America. Until the 1970s, Australians classified Aboriginies among plants and animals, thus condoning the woeful murder of much of the native population. Even now, one only has to look at their record on taking in migrants from the pacific to see how racist a nation it is. America has similar records on both counts, committing genocide on the Native Americans, having a quarter of the world's prison population which is 80% black doing unpaid labour (which, let's make no bones about it, is slavery) while having the most hideous and contemptible foreign policies since the British empire. Can I also say how ironic it is that of the successful countries you chose, you point to so many social democracies despite having said previously that you'd vote for UKIP! Don't know what gay rights has to with Socialism - did Marx cover it? lol I bet the workers appreciate that. The core of Socialism is state control of all means of production, distribution and exchange. When attempts to run an economy on this basis inevitably start to fail, the state becomes increasing oppressive in order to control the elements (ie: the majority of ordinary people) that is sees as the causes of their failure (and the wicked USA too of course). In some cases they then abandon their failed Socialist 'economics' and revert to Capitalism (as in the Peoples Republic of China, often while retaining their non-democratic, one-party, oppression of the people they supposedly want to help. Of course the numbers involved in the likes of the Australian aboriginie atrocities are a drop in the ocean of blood and mountains of corpses generated by the likes of Socialists, Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung and Pol Pot. I wish the Kurds luck with their Anarchist-Communism set-up (I expect frying pans and fires must be in the thoughts of ordinary working Kurds). Inaccurate understanding of what Socialism is, confusing it with authoritarianism - check. A general defence of Capitalist atrocity by playing the 'how many people did each ideology kill?' game - check. And as a surprise bonus point, a suggestion that any form of anti-Capitalist society is worse than ISIS - check. Edited by serial thriller (28 May 2015 12.41pm) Most Socialist states have been authoritarian and non-democratic, oppressing the very people they say they are 'liberating'. Defending Capitalist atrocities am I? Lol, I called the Aborigine genocide an atrocity. Certainly it is reasonable to compare body counts. Worse than ISIS? lol, just as well that I did not say that. What I am suggesting is that the ordinary Kurd in the street is probably just longing for a normal life free from Islamic extremists, totalitarian dictators, foreign armies and far-left experimentalists - I expect he would prefer a form of Western-style Capitalist democracy.
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28 May 15 1.10pm

Quote serial thriller at 28 May 2015 12.40pm

Quote derben at 28 May 2015 12.32pm

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Quote derben at 28 May 2015 11.48am

So if was not for the evil USA, all these attempts to build Socialism would succeed? It is not that is just doesn't work then?

Are the 'Kurds in Northern Syria' a Socialist country then? Are immigrants flooding in to share in the largese of the Kurdish region and the Spanish communes and South American Socialist states? Or are their populations in fact clamouring to get out.

Successful Capitalist countries, the majority of them - top ten most prosperous countries are thought to be: Norway, Denmark, Finland, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, Canada, Switzerland, Netherlands, USA.

That first point suggests you haven't read my original post. I am sceptical of many Socialist projects, many are very discriminatory and corrupt and thus regardless of American interference I wouldn't personally deem them as successful - if Cuba is locking up homosexuals then they are not worth any egalitarian status. BUT to ignore the role that American covert intervention has played, particularly in South America is to be blinded by your Capitalist ideology.

Point 2. Of course people aren't flooding in to Rojava and neighbouring areas, they're being bombed the f*ck out of by people who want to butcher them! They are an autonomous region based on the principles of Anarchist-Communism, which is really f*cking incredible given the situation they are in, but they are fighting a war, and while many Kurds from surrounding areas are supporting them, being in a war zone is not conducive to welcoming in many refugees! As far as I'm aware though, migration from South American nations and Spanish towns like Marinaleda are as you would expect. These are incredibly impoverished areas, not really capable of housing migrants on a mass scale, although the proliferation of their ideology in local areas is encouraging.

This really brings me on to your last point. If you're going to judge a nation's success on their financial prosperity then you not only exclude most Socialist nations whose focus on egalitarianism supersedes economic growth, but you are also ignoring the systematic vices of nations like Australia and America. Until the 1970s, Australians classified Aboriginies among plants and animals, thus condoning the woeful murder of much of the native population. Even now, one only has to look at their record on taking in migrants from the pacific to see how racist a nation it is. America has similar records on both counts, committing genocide on the Native Americans, having a quarter of the world's prison population which is 80% black doing unpaid labour (which, let's make no bones about it, is slavery) while having the most hideous and contemptible foreign policies since the British empire.

Can I also say how ironic it is that of the successful countries you chose, you point to so many social democracies despite having said previously that you'd vote for UKIP!

Don't know what gay rights has to with Socialism - did Marx cover it?

lol I bet the workers appreciate that.

The core of Socialism is state control of all means of production, distribution and exchange. When attempts to run an economy on this basis inevitably start to fail, the state becomes increasing oppressive in order to control the elements (ie: the majority of ordinary people) that is sees as the causes of their failure (and the wicked USA too of course). In some cases they then abandon their failed Socialist 'economics' and revert to Capitalism (as in the Peoples Republic of China, often while retaining their non-democratic, one-party, oppression of the people they supposedly want to help.

Of course the numbers involved in the likes of the Australian aboriginie atrocities are a drop in the ocean of blood and mountains of corpses generated by the likes of Socialists, Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung and Pol Pot.

I wish the Kurds luck with their Anarchist-Communism set-up (I expect frying pans and fires must be in the thoughts of ordinary working Kurds).

Inaccurate understanding of what Socialism is, confusing it with authoritarianism - check.

A general defence of Capitalist atrocity by playing the 'how many people did each ideology kill?' game - check.

And as a surprise bonus point, a suggestion that any form of anti-Capitalist society is worse than ISIS - check.

Edited by serial thriller (28 May 2015 12.41pm)

Most Socialist states have been authoritarian and non-democratic, oppressing the very people they say they are 'liberating'.

Defending Capitalist atrocities am I? Lol, I called the Aborigine genocide an atrocity.

Certainly it is reasonable to compare body counts.

Worse than ISIS? lol, just as well that I did not say that. What I am suggesting is that the ordinary Kurd in the street is probably just longing for a normal life free from Islamic extremists, totalitarian dictators, foreign armies and far-left experimentalists - I expect he would prefer a form of Western-style Capitalist democracy.

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 28 May 15 1.13pm
let me see if I've got this socialism right? Someone works like a demon all thier days and ends up with the same lot in life, as some workshy unwashed bin dipper. I think Capitalism seems a bit fairer. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 28 May 15 1.13pm

let me see if I've got this socialism right?

Someone works like a demon all thier days and ends up with the same lot in life, as some workshy unwashed bin dipper.

I think Capitalism seems a bit fairer.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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serial thriller The Promised Land 28 May 15 1.24pm
Quote dannyh at 28 May 2015 1.13pm let me see if I've got this socialism right? Someone works like a demon all thier days and ends up with the same lot in life, as some workshy unwashed bin dipper. I think Capitalism seems a bit fairer. Whereas in Capitalism, being born in to the Walmart family and doing f*ck all work makes you richer than almost all of your employees who work their arse in to the ground combined. Edited by serial thriller (28 May 2015 1.34pm) If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Quote dannyh at 28 May 2015 1.13pm

let me see if I've got this socialism right?

Someone works like a demon all thier days and ends up with the same lot in life, as some workshy unwashed bin dipper.

I think Capitalism seems a bit fairer.

Whereas in Capitalism, being born in to the Walmart family and doing f*ck all work makes you richer than almost all of your employees who work their arse in to the ground combined.

Edited by serial thriller (28 May 2015 1.34pm)

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serial thriller The Promised Land 28 May 15 1.29pm
Quote derben at 28 May 2015 1.10pm Quote serial thriller at 28 May 2015 12.40pm Quote derben at 28 May 2015 12.32pm Quote serial thriller at 28 May 2015 12.09pm Quote derben at 28 May 2015 11.48am So if was not for the evil USA, all these attempts to build Socialism would succeed? It is not that is just doesn't work then? Are the 'Kurds in Northern Syria' a Socialist country then? Are immigrants flooding in to share in the largese of the Kurdish region and the Spanish communes and South American Socialist states? Or are their populations in fact clamouring to get out. Successful Capitalist countries, the majority of them - top ten most prosperous countries are thought to be: Norway, Denmark, Finland, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, Canada, Switzerland, Netherlands, USA. That first point suggests you haven't read my original post. I am sceptical of many Socialist projects, many are very discriminatory and corrupt and thus regardless of American interference I wouldn't personally deem them as successful - if Cuba is locking up homosexuals then they are not worth any egalitarian status. BUT to ignore the role that American covert intervention has played, particularly in South America is to be blinded by your Capitalist ideology. Point 2. Of course people aren't flooding in to Rojava and neighbouring areas, they're being bombed the fck out of by people who want to butcher them! They are an autonomous region based on the principles of Anarchist-Communism, which is really fcking incredible given the situation they are in, but they are fighting a war, and while many Kurds from surrounding areas are supporting them, being in a war zone is not conducive to welcoming in many refugees! As far as I'm aware though, migration from South American nations and Spanish towns like Marinaleda are as you would expect. These are incredibly impoverished areas, not really capable of housing migrants on a mass scale, although the proliferation of their ideology in local areas is encouraging. This really brings me on to your last point. If you're going to judge a nation's success on their financial prosperity then you not only exclude most Socialist nations whose focus on egalitarianism supersedes economic growth, but you are also ignoring the systematic vices of nations like Australia and America. Until the 1970s, Australians classified Aboriginies among plants and animals, thus condoning the woeful murder of much of the native population. Even now, one only has to look at their record on taking in migrants from the pacific to see how racist a nation it is. America has similar records on both counts, committing genocide on the Native Americans, having a quarter of the world's prison population which is 80% black doing unpaid labour (which, let's make no bones about it, is slavery) while having the most hideous and contemptible foreign policies since the British empire. Can I also say how ironic it is that of the successful countries you chose, you point to so many social democracies despite having said previously that you'd vote for UKIP! Don't know what gay rights has to with Socialism - did Marx cover it? lol I bet the workers appreciate that. The core of Socialism is state control of all means of production, distribution and exchange. When attempts to run an economy on this basis inevitably start to fail, the state becomes increasing oppressive in order to control the elements (ie: the majority of ordinary people) that is sees as the causes of their failure (and the wicked USA too of course). In some cases they then abandon their failed Socialist 'economics' and revert to Capitalism (as in the Peoples Republic of China, often while retaining their non-democratic, one-party, oppression of the people they supposedly want to help. Of course the numbers involved in the likes of the Australian aboriginie atrocities are a drop in the ocean of blood and mountains of corpses generated by the likes of Socialists, Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung and Pol Pot. I wish the Kurds luck with their Anarchist-Communism set-up (I expect frying pans and fires must be in the thoughts of ordinary working Kurds). Inaccurate understanding of what Socialism is, confusing it with authoritarianism - check. A general defence of Capitalist atrocity by playing the 'how many people did each ideology kill?' game - check. And as a surprise bonus point, a suggestion that any form of anti-Capitalist society is worse than ISIS - check. Edited by serial thriller (28 May 2015 12.41pm) Most Socialist states have been authoritarian and non-democratic, oppressing the very people they say they are 'liberating'. Defending Capitalist atrocities am I? Lol, I called the Aborigine genocide an atrocity. Certainly it is reasonable to compare body counts. Worse than ISIS? lol, just as well that I did not say that. What I am suggesting is that the ordinary Kurd in the street is probably just longing for a normal life free from Islamic extremists, totalitarian dictators, foreign armies and far-left experimentalists - I expect he would prefer a form of Western-style Capitalist democracy. 'Most socialist states'. Have you actually got anything to back that up? Look up the Paris commune or the many different examples of socialism and anarchism in Spain in the 30s. Socialism doesn't just start and end with the Soviet Union... Even the Socialist states of South America are democratically elected. That means, and I know this will be tough to take, that the 'average working man' is the person instigating socialist ideology. Going back to Venezuela, it's actually the middle- and upper-classes who have been far more prevalent critics of the Maduro government. The Kurds are very anti-authoritarian, which is unsurprising considering they have one of the most didactic ideologies in the world on their doorstep. All decisions are made in regional assemblies, meaning that again the 'average working Kurd' is an active member of their political community. They actually have greater democratic rights than we do in this country! If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The Promised Land 28 May 15 1.29pm

Quote derben at 28 May 2015 1.10pm

Quote serial thriller at 28 May 2015 12.40pm

Quote derben at 28 May 2015 12.32pm

Quote serial thriller at 28 May 2015 12.09pm

Quote derben at 28 May 2015 11.48am

So if was not for the evil USA, all these attempts to build Socialism would succeed? It is not that is just doesn't work then?

Can I also say how ironic it is that of the successful countries you chose, you point to so many social democracies despite having said previously that you'd vote for UKIP!

Don't know what gay rights has to with Socialism - did Marx cover it?

lol I bet the workers appreciate that.

I wish the Kurds luck with their Anarchist-Communism set-up (I expect frying pans and fires must be in the thoughts of ordinary working Kurds).

Inaccurate understanding of what Socialism is, confusing it with authoritarianism - check.

A general defence of Capitalist atrocity by playing the 'how many people did each ideology kill?' game - check.

And as a surprise bonus point, a suggestion that any form of anti-Capitalist society is worse than ISIS - check.

Edited by serial thriller (28 May 2015 12.41pm)

Most Socialist states have been authoritarian and non-democratic, oppressing the very people they say they are 'liberating'.

Defending Capitalist atrocities am I? Lol, I called the Aborigine genocide an atrocity.

Certainly it is reasonable to compare body counts.

'Most socialist states'. Have you actually got anything to back that up? Look up the Paris commune or the many different examples of socialism and anarchism in Spain in the 30s. Socialism doesn't just start and end with the Soviet Union...

Even the Socialist states of South America are democratically elected. That means, and I know this will be tough to take, that the 'average working man' is the person instigating socialist ideology. Going back to Venezuela, it's actually the middle- and upper-classes who have been far more prevalent critics of the Maduro government.

The Kurds are very anti-authoritarian, which is unsurprising considering they have one of the most didactic ideologies in the world on their doorstep. All decisions are made in regional assemblies, meaning that again the 'average working Kurd' is an active member of their political community. They actually have greater democratic rights than we do in this country!

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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serial thriller The Promised Land 28 May 15 1.34pm
Quote The Sash at 28 May 2015 1.07pm Ahhh great when right and left start arguing in some 'who's bestest top trumps'......like watching two bald men fight over a comb.. Isn't that basically what any argument comes down to though? You believe what you believe, that puts you in opposition to someone who believes something else and therefore you argue it out in a rational way. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The Promised Land 28 May 15 1.34pm

Quote The Sash at 28 May 2015 1.07pm

Ahhh great when right and left start arguing in some 'who's bestest top trumps'......like watching two bald men fight over a comb..

Isn't that basically what any argument comes down to though? You believe what you believe, that puts you in opposition to someone who believes something else and therefore you argue it out in a rational way.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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SamCPFC17 Croydon 28 May 15 1.38pm
Quote dannyh at 28 May 2015 1.13pm let me see if I've got this socialism right? Someone works like a demon all thier days and ends up with the same lot in life, as some workshy unwashed bin dipper. I think Capitalism seems a bit fairer. [Link] Socialism, to people who are actually socialists and not merely power hungry lunatics out to enhance their own egos, is about social justice. It's about making sure that no one has to endure the humiliation of poverty. It's about making sure that everyone has work which adequately provides for the needs of them and their families. It's about building up quality public servies, such as the NHS, so that no one in ill health need worry about having to pay for their treatment. It's about ensuring that everyone has a decent home to live in and that they don't have to pay through the nose for it. It's about ensuring that every worker is entitled to adequate sick leave, maternity/paternity leave and unemployment benefit. It's about making sure that we take care of our disbaled and our elderly properly, and don't leave them behind. It's about striking a balance between employers and employees whereby the employer has the best possible conditions under which to create jobs, and the employees have good working conditions and good pay. It's about making sure that financial institutions can't wreck our economy at will as they did throughout the 90s and 00s. It's about making sure that the gap in wealth in this country and around the world is a fair gap, and not the almighty chasm it currently is. To believe in socialism is to believe that we can be better and fairer than we are. We are democrats, and the best of us are not bigoted or prejudiced against the opinions of others. We are merely passionate about what we believe in and keen to help those of all political persuaions to ensure our country moves forward.
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Quote dannyh at 28 May 2015 1.13pm

let me see if I've got this socialism right?

Someone works like a demon all thier days and ends up with the same lot in life, as some workshy unwashed bin dipper.

I think Capitalism seems a bit fairer.

[Link]

Socialism, to people who are actually socialists and not merely power hungry lunatics out to enhance their own egos, is about social justice. It's about making sure that no one has to endure the humiliation of poverty. It's about making sure that everyone has work which adequately provides for the needs of them and their families. It's about building up quality public servies, such as the NHS, so that no one in ill health need worry about having to pay for their treatment. It's about ensuring that everyone has a decent home to live in and that they don't have to pay through the nose for it. It's about ensuring that every worker is entitled to adequate sick leave, maternity/paternity leave and unemployment benefit. It's about making sure that we take care of our disbaled and our elderly properly, and don't leave them behind. It's about striking a balance between employers and employees whereby the employer has the best possible conditions under which to create jobs, and the employees have good working conditions and good pay. It's about making sure that financial institutions can't wreck our economy at will as they did throughout the 90s and 00s. It's about making sure that the gap in wealth in this country and around the world is a fair gap, and not the almighty chasm it currently is.
To believe in socialism is to believe that we can be better and fairer than we are. We are democrats, and the best of us are not bigoted or prejudiced against the opinions of others. We are merely passionate about what we believe in and keen to help those of all political persuaions to ensure our country moves forward.

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 28 May 15 1.52pm
Quote serial thriller at 28 May 2015 1.34pm Quote The Sash at 28 May 2015 1.07pm Ahhh great when right and left start arguing in some 'who's bestest top trumps'......like watching two bald men fight over a comb.. Isn't that basically what any argument comes down to though? You believe what you believe, that puts you in opposition to someone who believes something else and therefore you argue it out in a rational way. Ahh but that's were I would beg to differ - human nature being what it is and with the old cognitive difference cells kicking in people will argue 'their' case to highly illogical ends no matter what and no matter how much their position flies in the face of logic, common sense and very often fact.... We see it every single day on here whether that's politics, religion, race or the colour of f*cking orange juice ST Edited by The Sash (28 May 2015 1.54pm) As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Quote The Sash at 28 May 2015 1.07pm

Ahhh great when right and left start arguing in some 'who's bestest top trumps'......like watching two bald men fight over a comb..

Ahh but that's were I would beg to differ - human nature being what it is and with the old cognitive difference cells kicking in people will argue 'their' case to highly illogical ends no matter what and no matter how much their position flies in the face of logic, common sense and very often fact....

We see it every single day on here whether that's politics, religion, race or the colour of f*cking orange juice ST

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