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legaleagle 09 May 15 12.13am
Quote Jimenez at 09 May 2015 12.07am Quote legaleagle at 09 May 2015 12.02am The problem is that anything will always have some abuse.So,as a lawyer,I see clever people representing themselves "playing the system" to get out of something.But,the reason why they can is because of certain safeguards built into the system to protect many more others from abuse... .....Ah now that's what I call a cop out. Surely its not beyond the powers to be to draft say 'A British Bill of rights' to counter and indeed replace the Human Rights Act? Not a cop out.The press and politicians spotlight what suit them so you get the impression every day a bad evil person is allowed to stay.Thing is the same bits of the act provide really important protections to all sorts of people daily,but of course yo never read about that in the Mail etc. Yes, it could be replaced by a new Human Rights Act.Question is,what would it contain and what wouldn't it? Also,if they didn't also derogate from the European Convention,people could also take their case to the Court in Strasbourg anyway. Edited by legaleagle (09 May 2015 12.13am)
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The problem is that anything will always have some abuse.So,as a lawyer,I see clever people representing themselves "playing the system" to get out of something.But,the reason why they can is because of certain safeguards built into the system to protect many more others from abuse...

.....Ah now that's what I call a cop out. Surely its not beyond the powers to be to draft say 'A British Bill of rights' to counter and indeed replace the Human Rights Act?

Not a cop out.The press and politicians spotlight what suit them so you get the impression every day a bad evil person is allowed to stay.Thing is the same bits of the act provide really important protections to all sorts of people daily,but of course yo never read about that in the Mail etc.

Yes, it could be replaced by a new Human Rights Act.Question is,what would it contain and what wouldn't it?

Also,if they didn't also derogate from the European Convention,people could also take their case to the Court in Strasbourg anyway.

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legaleagle 09 May 15 12.17am
Quote humber eagle at 09 May 2015 12.08am Quote Jimenez at 08 May 2015 11.55pm [Link] Just for starters & there's dozens more !111 Human Rights pah!!!! Good Friday agreement......one of Labours proudest moments.....lets release 100's of murderers who threatened our country and service men and women and citizens for decades, David C would have to welcome ISIS with open arms to beat that debacle. Good Friday Agreement: Would you rather The Troubles were still kicking off nightly then? Is N Ireland a better or worse place now than then,taking everything into account?
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Just for starters & there's dozens more !111

Human Rights pah!!!!
Good Friday agreement......one of Labours proudest moments.....lets release 100's of murderers who threatened our country and service men and women and citizens for decades, David C would have to welcome ISIS with open arms to beat that debacle.

Good Friday Agreement:

Would you rather The Troubles were still kicking off nightly then?

Is N Ireland a better or worse place now than then,taking everything into account?

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humber eagle hull 09 May 15 12.22am
Quote legaleagle at 09 May 2015 12.07am Quote humber eagle at 09 May 2015 12.01am I don't think any right minded person would object to the things you've stated. My beef is when people blatantly abuse it, Like Rapists/Murderers not being deported because they are entitled to 'Family life" they are alcoholics, Gay,and other such bulls*.... Surely any changes to protect the country and its citizens can only be a positive. They can only amend the Human Rights Act, as it belongs to the UK, however the UNHDR cannot be amended by anyone, which is the foundations to how we would like to think our great country is being run**. Our rapists, murderers, child molesters etc. will finally be given a sentence that cannot be interfered with by those tossers in Europe or those who believe the culprits have issues and need counselling. They are threatening to derogate from the Convention,of which we were a founder signatory,and of which Winston Churchil was a great proponent.That will send a great message to European dictatorships like Belarus... Edited by legaleagle (09 May 2015 12.08am) Granted, but article 30 clearly states that the UNHDR belongs to no state, person etc. So, surely that means anything that is made an act of government as long as it does not infringe on any of the other articles, is theirs to amend. How many of many of those founder nations have a grave history of human rights violations? In my day, a Selfie was what you had when the wife didn't put out.
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I don't think any right minded person would object to the things you've stated. My beef is when people blatantly abuse it, Like Rapists/Murderers not being deported because they are entitled to 'Family life" they are alcoholics, Gay,and other such bulls***....

Surely any changes to protect the country and its citizens can only be a positive. They can only amend the Human Rights Act, as it belongs to the UK, however the UNHDR cannot be amended by anyone, which is the foundations to how we would like to think our great country is being run. Our rapists, murderers, child molesters etc. will finally be given a sentence that cannot be interfered with by those tossers in Europe or those who believe the culprits have issues and need counselling.

They are threatening to derogate from the Convention,of which we were a founder signatory,and of which Winston Churchil was a great proponent.That will send a great message to European dictatorships like Belarus...

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Granted, but article 30 clearly states that the UNHDR belongs to no state, person etc. So, surely that means anything that is made an act of government as long as it does not infringe on any of the other articles, is theirs to amend. How many of many of those founder nations have a grave history of human rights violations?

In my day, a Selfie was what you had when the wife didn't put out.

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legaleagle 09 May 15 12.27am
No, you can't amend the Charter.Only derogate from it completely or ask all the others signatories to agree to an amendment.It comes as a package. Abolishing the Human Rights Act wouldn't affect that. Its not a UN convention,its the ECHR: THe European Convention on Human Rights. Edited by legaleagle (09 May 2015 12.29am)
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09 May 15 12.27am

No, you can't amend the Charter.Only derogate from it completely or ask all the others signatories to agree to an amendment.It comes as a package.

Abolishing the Human Rights Act wouldn't affect that.

Its not a UN convention,its the ECHR: THe European Convention on Human Rights.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 May 15 12.29am
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humber eagle hull 09 May 15 12.33am
Quote legaleagle at 09 May 2015 12.17am Quote humber eagle at 09 May 2015 12.08am Quote Jimenez at 08 May 2015 11.55pm [Link] Just for starters & there's dozens more !111 Human Rights pah!!!! Good Friday agreement......one of Labours proudest moments.....lets release 100's of murderers who threatened our country and service men and women and citizens for decades, David C would have to welcome ISIS with open arms to beat that debacle. Good Friday Agreement: Would you rather The Troubles were still kicking off nightly then? Is N Ireland a better or worse place now than then,taking everything into account? Having served there, I am more concerned about the fact that those whose lives were taken from them prematurely or sacrificed dismissed so casually by the government of the day, nobody would want those dark days to return Legaleagle, and i'm sure that nightmares for those who live there are slowly fading as life progresses, and long may it, shame the same couldn't be said for the thousands of families who cannot forgive the slaughter of their loved ones. In my day, a Selfie was what you had when the wife didn't put out.
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Quote legaleagle at 09 May 2015 12.17am

Quote humber eagle at 09 May 2015 12.08am

Quote Jimenez at 08 May 2015 11.55pm

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Just for starters & there's dozens more !111

Good Friday Agreement:

Would you rather The Troubles were still kicking off nightly then?

Is N Ireland a better or worse place now than then,taking everything into account?

Having served there, I am more concerned about the fact that those whose lives were taken from them prematurely or sacrificed dismissed so casually by the government of the day, nobody would want those dark days to return Legaleagle, and i'm sure that nightmares for those who live there are slowly fading as life progresses, and long may it, shame the same couldn't be said for the thousands of families who cannot forgive the slaughter of their loved ones.

In my day, a Selfie was what you had when the wife didn't put out.

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legaleagle 09 May 15 12.38am
Atrocities are nothing to be proud of and thank goodness everyone now has a brighter future because of the Good Friday Agreement. Very few deals that end a war are perfect.But,they end a war,so no more die. Edited by legaleagle (09 May 2015 12.39am)
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Atrocities are nothing to be proud of and thank goodness everyone now has a brighter future because of the Good Friday Agreement. Very few deals that end a war are perfect.But,they end a war,so no more die.

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humber eagle hull 09 May 15 12.41am
Quote legaleagle at 09 May 2015 12.27am No, you can't amend the Charter.Only derogate from it completely or ask all the others signatories to agree to an amendment.It comes as a package. Abolishing the Human Rights Act wouldn't affect that. Its not a UN convention,its the ECHR: THe European Convention on Human Rights. Edited by legaleagle (09 May 2015 12.29am) Forgive my ignorance legaleagle, I thought they were both directly conceived from the UNHDR which was signed in 1948 therefore article 30 would still have precedent, giving governments a right to compose there own acts such as the UK and EU and rights to amend them as they see fit as the original can not be imposed as law by anyone or state. In my day, a Selfie was what you had when the wife didn't put out.
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Quote legaleagle at 09 May 2015 12.27am

No, you can't amend the Charter.Only derogate from it completely or ask all the others signatories to agree to an amendment.It comes as a package.

Abolishing the Human Rights Act wouldn't affect that.

Its not a UN convention,its the ECHR: THe European Convention on Human Rights.

Edited by legaleagle (09 May 2015 12.29am)

Forgive my ignorance legaleagle, I thought they were both directly conceived from the UNHDR which was signed in 1948 therefore article 30 would still have precedent, giving governments a right to compose there own acts such as the UK and EU and rights to amend them as they see fit as the original can not be imposed as law by anyone or state.

In my day, a Selfie was what you had when the wife didn't put out.

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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 09 May 15 12.57am
Quote humber eagle at 09 May 2015 12.08am Quote Jimenez at 08 May 2015 11.55pm [Link] Just for starters & there's dozens more !111 Human Rights pah!!!! Good Friday agreement......one of Labours proudest moments.....lets release 100's of murderers who threatened our country and service men and women and citizens for decades, David C would have to welcome ISIS with open arms to beat that debacle. They also didn't prosecute dozens; no, scores f members of the security forces who murdered innocent people. We've debated this dozens of times, but the Human rights agreement has, in the main, been a force for good. Yes, there has been a few problems, but more good has come from it than bad, I used to be immortal
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The Garden of Earthly Delights 09 May 15 12.57am

Quote humber eagle at 09 May 2015 12.08am

Quote Jimenez at 08 May 2015 11.55pm

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Just for starters & there's dozens more !111

They also didn't prosecute dozens; no, scores f members of the security forces who murdered innocent people. We've debated this dozens of times, but the Human rights agreement has, in the main, been a force for good. Yes, there has been a few problems, but more good has come from it than bad,

I used to be immortal

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Dweeb East London 09 May 15 10.32am
Quote legaleagle at 09 May 2015 12.13am Quote Jimenez at 09 May 2015 12.07am Quote legaleagle at 09 May 2015 12.02am The problem is that anything will always have some abuse.So,as a lawyer,I see clever people representing themselves "playing the system" to get out of something.But,the reason why they can is because of certain safeguards built into the system to protect many more others from abuse... .....Ah now that's what I call a cop out. Surely its not beyond the powers to be to draft say 'A British Bill of rights' to counter and indeed replace the Human Rights Act? Not a cop out.The press and politicians spotlight what suit them so you get the impression every day a bad evil person is allowed to stay.Thing is the same bits of the act provide really important protections to all sorts of people daily,but of course yo never read about that in the Mail etc. Yes, it could be replaced by a new Human Rights Act.Question is,what would it contain and what wouldn't it? Also,if they didn't also derogate from the European Convention,people could also take their case to the Court in Strasbourg anyway. Edited by legaleagle (09 May 2015 12.13am) Ahem. Can I ask one rhetorical question please, namely who drew up the ECHR in the first place. Might have been the Conservatives post-war. It is that the HR Act was supposed to formally implement wasn't it? Taking the bungy jump since 1964. Never to see John Jackson in a shirt again Sorry to see Lee Hills go, did we ever see Alex Marrow? We did January 2013
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Quote legaleagle at 09 May 2015 12.13am

Quote Jimenez at 09 May 2015 12.07am

Quote legaleagle at 09 May 2015 12.02am

.....Ah now that's what I call a cop out. Surely its not beyond the powers to be to draft say 'A British Bill of rights' to counter and indeed replace the Human Rights Act?

Yes, it could be replaced by a new Human Rights Act.Question is,what would it contain and what wouldn't it?

Also,if they didn't also derogate from the European Convention,people could also take their case to the Court in Strasbourg anyway.

Edited by legaleagle (09 May 2015 12.13am)

Ahem. Can I ask one rhetorical question please, namely who drew up the ECHR in the first place. Might have been the Conservatives post-war. It is that the HR Act was supposed to formally implement wasn't it?

Taking the bungy jump since 1964. Never to see John Jackson in a shirt again

Sorry to see Lee Hills go, did we ever see Alex Marrow? We did January 2013

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derben 09 May 15 10.38am
If we regained full control of our law making by leaving the EU and associated court jurisdictions, we could frame our own laws and human rights legislation, tailored to our own needs and interests.
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If we regained full control of our law making by leaving the EU and associated court jurisdictions, we could frame our own laws and human rights legislation, tailored to our own needs and interests.

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