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 JL85  London,SE9 09 May 15 9.11am |
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Quote Catfish at 08 May 2015 11.33am
They should beg David Miliband to come back. Hasn't got a seat so no chance really.
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| Rubin 10 May 15 1.01pm |
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Tristram Hunt - the only one that isn't annoying.
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| Plane Bromley 10 May 15 1.02pm |
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Quote Rubin at 10 May 2015 1.01pm
Tristram Hunt - the only one that isn't annoying. With a name like that, he is annoying
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| Eagle_SA Just outside Cape Town 10 May 15 1.23pm |
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Quote derben at 08 May 2015 10.19am
Ian Holloway is available.
And I see signs of half remembered days, I hear bells that chime in strange familiar ways |
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 10 May 15 2.03pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 May 2015 1.44pm
All joking aside, Labour rather than rebranding themselves as the third way, conservative lite, would be better off actually looking at how the SNP have succeed in Scotland in going from a small nothing party to being its sole political power in 20 years - Even whilst surviving the failure of their 'one issue' campaign (Independence). For Labour to resurrect itself, it needs to reestablish itself as a political party of the people that delivers actual real tangible benefits to the people, rather than the faux s**t of New Labour. Across an era that's seen the idea of 'left wing' politics diminish, the SNP has flourished as a left wing nationalist party and destroyed the Scottish Labour Party as a force north of the border (including areas traditionally regarded as being stalwart Labour). Because if they don't, in five years they'll be rapidly approaching insignificance.
Which leaves Labour with England, and the more they veer to the left, the more they alienate the aspirational middle class. That's why they lost, they appealed to their core vote to try and get it out (35% strategy) and didn't appeal to anybody else. There was too much business bashing and not enough appeal to those who wish to create wealth. I highly doubt Labour will win votes back off the Tories by becoming even more socialist. Barmy.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 10 May 15 2.11pm |
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Labour need to decide on what their tack is and just hammer it home. Their failure in this election was that they didn't sufficiently set their stall out: while the Tories banged on about the deficit and jobs and the SNP, Labour switched from one thing to another. Sadly I think this means they'll bring in some Blairite like Chukka Umunna and move to the right. I think arguing they can't win from the left is presumptuous as I still believe that there is a very convincing anti-austerity egalitarian argument to be made. They have 5 years, so plenty of time to alter public discourse.
If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4 |
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Johnny Eagles  berlin 10 May 15 3.18pm |
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Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 2.11pm
Labour need to decide on what their tack is and just hammer it home. Their failure in this election was that they didn't sufficiently set their stall out: while the Tories banged on about the deficit and jobs and the SNP, Labour switched from one thing to another. Sadly I think this means they'll bring in some Blairite like Chukka Umunna and move to the right. I think arguing they can't win from the left is presumptuous as I still believe that there is a very convincing anti-austerity egalitarian argument to be made. They have 5 years, so plenty of time to alter public discourse.
With the greatest of respect, appealing to people with your views is a route to defeat. The same is incidentally true of me and the Tories. I would only vote for them if their leader was Norman Tebbitt, Mrs Peter Bone or Attila the Hun.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 10 May 15 3.51pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 10 May 2015 3.18pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 2.11pm
Labour need to decide on what their tack is and just hammer it home. Their failure in this election was that they didn't sufficiently set their stall out: while the Tories banged on about the deficit and jobs and the SNP, Labour switched from one thing to another. Sadly I think this means they'll bring in some Blairite like Chukka Umunna and move to the right. I think arguing they can't win from the left is presumptuous as I still believe that there is a very convincing anti-austerity egalitarian argument to be made. They have 5 years, so plenty of time to alter public discourse.
With the greatest of respect, appealing to people with your views is a route to defeat. The same is incidentally true of me and the Tories. I would only vote for them if their leader was Norman Tebbitt, Mrs Peter Bone or Attila the Hun.
A slight shift to the left, which would involve strong arguments around a living wage, electoral reform, Keynesian economics and large-scale house building would not exactly be a leap to full Communism. Yes, the centre-left hasn't won an election for pushing on 40 years now but it still has the apparatus there to do so: a far larger membership base than the Tories, much greater numbers on the ground and union funding, which let's not forget still amounts to millions of pounds. Sure, all but 2 of the mainstream newspapers are right wing, but their power is waning really.
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| derben 10 May 15 4.37pm |
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Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 3.51pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 10 May 2015 3.18pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 2.11pm
Labour need to decide on what their tack is and just hammer it home. Their failure in this election was that they didn't sufficiently set their stall out: while the Tories banged on about the deficit and jobs and the SNP, Labour switched from one thing to another. Sadly I think this means they'll bring in some Blairite like Chukka Umunna and move to the right. I think arguing they can't win from the left is presumptuous as I still believe that there is a very convincing anti-austerity egalitarian argument to be made. They have 5 years, so plenty of time to alter public discourse.
With the greatest of respect, appealing to people with your views is a route to defeat. The same is incidentally true of me and the Tories. I would only vote for them if their leader was Norman Tebbitt, Mrs Peter Bone or Attila the Hun.
A slight shift to the left, which would involve strong arguments around a living wage, electoral reform, Keynesian economics and large-scale house building would not exactly be a leap to full Communism. Yes, the centre-left hasn't won an election for pushing on 40 years now but it still has the apparatus there to do so: a far larger membership base than the Tories, much greater numbers on the ground and union funding, which let's not forget still amounts to millions of pounds. Sure, all but 2 of the mainstream newspapers are right wing, but their power is waning really. So you think Labour lost because they were not far enough to the left? So I guess the electorate thought, hmmm, Labour is not far enough to the left for me, I know, I'll vote for the Tories, they are more to the left than Labour.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 May 15 4.51pm |
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Quote derben at 10 May 2015 4.37pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 3.51pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 10 May 2015 3.18pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 2.11pm
Labour need to decide on what their tack is and just hammer it home. Their failure in this election was that they didn't sufficiently set their stall out: while the Tories banged on about the deficit and jobs and the SNP, Labour switched from one thing to another. Sadly I think this means they'll bring in some Blairite like Chukka Umunna and move to the right. I think arguing they can't win from the left is presumptuous as I still believe that there is a very convincing anti-austerity egalitarian argument to be made. They have 5 years, so plenty of time to alter public discourse.
With the greatest of respect, appealing to people with your views is a route to defeat. The same is incidentally true of me and the Tories. I would only vote for them if their leader was Norman Tebbitt, Mrs Peter Bone or Attila the Hun.
A slight shift to the left, which would involve strong arguments around a living wage, electoral reform, Keynesian economics and large-scale house building would not exactly be a leap to full Communism. Yes, the centre-left hasn't won an election for pushing on 40 years now but it still has the apparatus there to do so: a far larger membership base than the Tories, much greater numbers on the ground and union funding, which let's not forget still amounts to millions of pounds. Sure, all but 2 of the mainstream newspapers are right wing, but their power is waning really. So you think Labour lost because they were not far enough to the left? So I guess the electorate thought, hmmm, Labour is not far enough to the left for me, I know, I'll vote for the Tories, they are more to the left than Labour. Labour lost in scotland against an anti austerity party...
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 10 May 15 5.00pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 10 May 2015 4.51pm
Quote derben at 10 May 2015 4.37pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 3.51pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 10 May 2015 3.18pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 2.11pm
Labour need to decide on what their tack is and just hammer it home. Their failure in this election was that they didn't sufficiently set their stall out: while the Tories banged on about the deficit and jobs and the SNP, Labour switched from one thing to another. Sadly I think this means they'll bring in some Blairite like Chukka Umunna and move to the right. I think arguing they can't win from the left is presumptuous as I still believe that there is a very convincing anti-austerity egalitarian argument to be made. They have 5 years, so plenty of time to alter public discourse.
With the greatest of respect, appealing to people with your views is a route to defeat. The same is incidentally true of me and the Tories. I would only vote for them if their leader was Norman Tebbitt, Mrs Peter Bone or Attila the Hun.
A slight shift to the left, which would involve strong arguments around a living wage, electoral reform, Keynesian economics and large-scale house building would not exactly be a leap to full Communism. Yes, the centre-left hasn't won an election for pushing on 40 years now but it still has the apparatus there to do so: a far larger membership base than the Tories, much greater numbers on the ground and union funding, which let's not forget still amounts to millions of pounds. Sure, all but 2 of the mainstream newspapers are right wing, but their power is waning really. So you think Labour lost because they were not far enough to the left? So I guess the electorate thought, hmmm, Labour is not far enough to the left for me, I know, I'll vote for the Tories, they are more to the left than Labour. Labour lost in scotland against an anti austerity party... I have lost count of the number of times I heard Sturgeon used the words "Austerity" and "Progressive".
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| chris123 hove actually 10 May 15 5.28pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 10 May 2015 4.51pm
Quote derben at 10 May 2015 4.37pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 3.51pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 10 May 2015 3.18pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 2.11pm
Labour need to decide on what their tack is and just hammer it home. Their failure in this election was that they didn't sufficiently set their stall out: while the Tories banged on about the deficit and jobs and the SNP, Labour switched from one thing to another. Sadly I think this means they'll bring in some Blairite like Chukka Umunna and move to the right. I think arguing they can't win from the left is presumptuous as I still believe that there is a very convincing anti-austerity egalitarian argument to be made. They have 5 years, so plenty of time to alter public discourse.
With the greatest of respect, appealing to people with your views is a route to defeat. The same is incidentally true of me and the Tories. I would only vote for them if their leader was Norman Tebbitt, Mrs Peter Bone or Attila the Hun.
A slight shift to the left, which would involve strong arguments around a living wage, electoral reform, Keynesian economics and large-scale house building would not exactly be a leap to full Communism. Yes, the centre-left hasn't won an election for pushing on 40 years now but it still has the apparatus there to do so: a far larger membership base than the Tories, much greater numbers on the ground and union funding, which let's not forget still amounts to millions of pounds. Sure, all but 2 of the mainstream newspapers are right wing, but their power is waning really. So you think Labour lost because they were not far enough to the left? So I guess the electorate thought, hmmm, Labour is not far enough to the left for me, I know, I'll vote for the Tories, they are more to the left than Labour. Labour lost in scotland against an anti austerity party...
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