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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 13 Apr 15 8.33am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Quote serial thriller at 12 Apr 2015 4.31pm

In a word, yes.

Anyone who gives a toss about the climate should stop eating meat.


Do you go on holiday abroad?

Do you use your own source of electricity?

Do you wear or use leather goods?

Drive a car?

etc


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 13 Apr 15 8.54am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Looking at the Amazon on Google maps and how much has been razed in order to provide land for grazing is pretty damning on the cheap meat culture front. We humans are destructive and greedy cvnts. By 2090 The whole earth will end up looking like Middlesborough and everyone will be fat. Even anorexics will be over 12 stone.

 


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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 13 Apr 15 9.30am Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

Quote Lombardos barber at 12 Apr 2015 5.26pm

Quote serial thriller at 12 Apr 2015 5.06pm

Quote Lombardos barber at 12 Apr 2015 4.41pm

Most vegetarians are Liberals.

Liberals make up 85% of bad parents in the UK.

100% of Victoria Cross winners have been meat eaters.

There you go.


What's your definition of a liberal?

Well educated themselves but hate those who go to good schools.

Good jobs themselves but hate anyone else who makes money.

Hate the coffee trade but have no dramas with their own cocaine habit.

Huge advocates of democracy unless someone disagrees with them.

Will work as hard as they can to make a person or group into a victim and foster as much division as they can then decry others for a lack of harmony in society.

Think parenting is about letting kids run riot.

Probably quite weedy. Possibly bead wearing.

Edited by Lombardos barber (12 Apr 2015 5.27pm)


nailed it

 


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Superfly Flag The sun always shines in Catford 13 Apr 15 9.38am Send a Private Message to Superfly Add Superfly as a friend

Quote sitdownstandup at 12 Apr 2015 4.11pm

Young voters talking about eating choices and politics

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They seem to have credited Dannyh's quote to Benjamin Macey

 


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The Sash Flag Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 13 Apr 15 10.07am Send a Private Message to The Sash Add The Sash as a friend

Quote matthau at 12 Apr 2015 6.47pm


Director James Cameron

“I’ve had an epiphany recently. I want to challenge all of you as people of deep conscience, people who are environment stewards of the earth and oceans…By changing what you eat, you will change the entire contract between the human species and the natural world.”

Referring to his switch to a vegan diet, Cameron stated…

“I felt like I was waking up from a long sleepwalk. I believe we are all sleepwalking off a cliff if we don’t do this.”


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I'll do him a deal - I'll stop eating meat when he stops making sh*t films.

Back on topic - my eldest is a veggie and has been for about 4 years. I now eat a lot more veggie meals than I did and if it wasn't for cheeseburgers and bacon could probably go the whole hog (no pun intended)

 


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The Sash Flag Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 13 Apr 15 10.10am Send a Private Message to The Sash Add The Sash as a friend

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Apr 2015 9.58pm

Most of India is veggie. The sandal wearing, mung bean eating....er....

....maybe its the lack of meat in the diet that makes them a bit 'rapey' ????


 


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topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 13 Apr 15 10.38am Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

Quote Stuk at 12 Apr 2015 11.33pm

Nope. We should just eat seasonal, regional and sustainable.

This is obviously the correct answer.

The problem is that we have forgotten what is seasonal as everything is in the supermarkets all year round. We rarely get a choice about regional, unless we are willing to shop around to find it. Sustainable is the key but that restricts the choice that we have become used to.

Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall writes very well about this subject.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Apr 15 10.47am

Quote topcat at 13 Apr 2015 10.38am

Quote Stuk at 12 Apr 2015 11.33pm

Nope. We should just eat seasonal, regional and sustainable.

This is obviously the correct answer.

The problem is that we have forgotten what is seasonal as everything is in the supermarkets all year round. We rarely get a choice about regional, unless we are willing to shop around to find it. Sustainable is the key but that restricts the choice that we have become used to.

Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall writes very well about this subject.

We probably shouldn't eat as much meat as we do, as that's not really suited to our biology - and ethically / morally its impossible to really sustain an argument for eating meat. That said, its a reality of human existence that we do eat meat (and some species only exist because we do).

What concerns me more is the treatment of animals prior to slaughter and the process of slaughter itself (and the wastage in supermarkets).


 


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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 13 Apr 15 11.27am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 13 Apr 2015 8.33am

Quote serial thriller at 12 Apr 2015 4.31pm

In a word, yes.

Anyone who gives a toss about the climate should stop eating meat.


Do you go on holiday abroad?

Do you use your own source of electricity?

Do you wear or use leather goods?

Drive a car?

etc


etc



No, I don't live in a hole in the ground eating mung beans, so yes, in the ever cynical world we live in I'm a massive hypocrite for daring to give a toss about climate change while wearing shoes and having an oyster card.

But, as an individual, most of the things often suggested for tackling climate change are either massively impractical or just laughably ineffective. Cutting out meat and fish is not only easily the most effective thing a person can do (51% of greenhouse emissions come from livestock, which is f*cking insane if you sit back and think about it) but also the easiest.

Obviously it involves two main sacrifices. Eating animals, which really isn't that hard in this day and age. The second one, which far more people succumb to, is being called gay/a hippy/a girl by uber-males who's first response to another person's legitimate moral decision is to throw insults at it. Once you learn how to tell them to grow up and do one, you'll find being a veggie is actually pretty straightforward.

 


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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 13 Apr 15 11.32am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Quote Stuk at 12 Apr 2015 11.33pm

Nope. We should just eat seasonal, regional and sustainable.


This is a pretty hard one though. There are, what, 9 billion people in the world? As societies are developing, the demand for meat and fish is soaring. But say there was a global change of consciousness and everyone decided to just eat organic, how are you going to catch enough fish and farm enough animals to satisfy the demands of billions of people, while finding the land to let even further billions of animals graze, and the techniques to catch billions of fish without, as we are now doing, totally destroying the sea?

It's impossible. Either prices would go through the roof, you admit defeat and accept that animals have to be treated like sh*t for us to enjoy a cheap Greggs steak bake, or we just cut down massively on our intake.

 


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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 13 Apr 15 11.32am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Quote matt_himself at 13 Apr 2015 5.52am

Quote serial thriller at 12 Apr 2015 4.31pm

In a word, yes.

Anyone who gives a toss about the climate should stop eating meat.


Facist.


I have nothing against faces, I have one myself in fact.

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 13 Apr 15 11.58am Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Quote serial thriller at 13 Apr 2015 11.27am

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 13 Apr 2015 8.33am

Quote serial thriller at 12 Apr 2015 4.31pm

In a word, yes.

Anyone who gives a toss about the climate should stop eating meat.


Do you go on holiday abroad?

Do you use your own source of electricity?

Do you wear or use leather goods?

Drive a car?

etc


etc



No, I don't live in a hole in the ground eating mung beans, so yes, in the ever cynical world we live in I'm a massive hypocrite for daring to give a toss about climate change while wearing shoes and having an oyster card.

But, as an individual, most of the things often suggested for tackling climate change are either massively impractical or just laughably ineffective. Cutting out meat and fish is not only easily the most effective thing a person can do (51% of greenhouse emissions come from livestock, which is f*cking insane if you sit back and think about it) but also the easiest.

Obviously it involves two main sacrifices. Eating animals, which really isn't that hard in this day and age. The second one, which far more people succumb to, is being called gay/a hippy/a girl by uber-males who's first response to another person's legitimate moral decision is to throw insults at it. Once you learn how to tell them to grow up and do one, you'll find being a veggie is actually pretty straightforward.


I'd agree with that, however being a vegan is less so and all sorts of health complications can arise from avoiding any sort of animal product.

Also, as far as Climate Change goes, it's going to happen, there are far greater forces of nature at work than humans eating/not eating meat

Eskimos, Masai, Icelandic people (I am sure that there are more). All need to eat meat / fish in their diet as they cannot grow enough food.

Meat is nutritionally dense, if you wanted to feed the world using only crops, there would be a need for GM Modified food (where would that lead) and there still probably wouldn't be enough to go around.

 


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