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jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Feb 15 3.12pm
Quote Harpo at 26 Feb 2015 12.44pm When I was at school - '62-'68 - there were no kids with special needs that I recall. All my fellow pupils were quite normal. It was the school that had special needs. Entirely unscientific, but I reckon it's a combination of; cuts in education, cuts in the health service, diet, computer games and employment levels. Combine all that lot within a household and you're bound to have problems. You had no weird kids at your school? We had plenty, varying from the severely disabled through to kids who invariably were ADHD, Aspergers, Dyslexic etc. We even had a special needs unit for children with learning problems, run by Mrs Read - She taught my sister to read (and my sister would go from a reading age of 7 at 14, to having a degree at 21). All kinds of problems back then were just 'kids' "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Harpo at 26 Feb 2015 12.44pm

When I was at school - '62-'68 - there were no kids with special needs that I recall.

All my fellow pupils were quite normal. It was the school that had special needs.

Entirely unscientific, but I reckon it's a combination of; cuts in education, cuts in the health service, diet, computer games and employment levels. Combine all that lot within a household and you're bound to have problems.

You had no weird kids at your school? We had plenty, varying from the severely disabled through to kids who invariably were ADHD, Aspergers, Dyslexic etc. We even had a special needs unit for children with learning problems, run by Mrs Read - She taught my sister to read (and my sister would go from a reading age of 7 at 14, to having a degree at 21).

All kinds of problems back then were just 'kids'

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stirlingsays 28 Feb 15 2.34pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 26 Feb 2015 11.43am Is the correct answer. Autism and ASDs aren't new, they've always been present, its just that they weren't identified as a specific disorder back then (its as late as 1991 that ASD is determined). Back then, they were just left to it, generally failed and stuffed. Incidently, IT is full of people with undiagnosed Aspergers. Labeling has done no good other than cost the state much much more money and produce a generation of parents and children who don't believe the children have any responsibly for their own behaviour. They still generally fail...As far as I see all that happens is that we provide a whole layer of extra jobs for professionals who parrot alot about the conditions and spend time with them. People with these conditions still fill up our prisons the same as they ever did......Those who have the conditions but on the higher end of the spectrum still succeed.....Same as they ever did. The whole dance is just a joke really.....A saga of waffle and back covering. If a child can't cope at school but they aren't badly behaved then they should get extra help (though even now that only happens with a percentage). If a child is badly behaved for an extended period they should be pulled out of mainstream.....That doesn't happen nearly enough as it needs to at secondary or any other level.....It often leads to educational disruption for other children.....Especially the nice but educationally average or below average children who have to sit in class with them.....All because the school won't or can't provide alternatives for children who shouldn't really be in mainstream. My own sister has a teenager with diagnosed autism.....apparently the lad has never behaved badly because it's the condition's fault......Now I accept that he obviously does have the condition....But I also know that it's made far worse by indulgent parenting and 'excuse culture'. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Feb 2015 3.28pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 26 Feb 2015 11.43am

Is the correct answer. Autism and ASDs aren't new, they've always been present, its just that they weren't identified as a specific disorder back then (its as late as 1991 that ASD is determined).

Back then, they were just left to it, generally failed and stuffed. Incidently, IT is full of people with undiagnosed Aspergers.

Labeling has done no good other than cost the state much much more money and produce a generation of parents and children who don't believe the children have any responsibly for their own behaviour.

They still generally fail...As far as I see all that happens is that we provide a whole layer of extra jobs for professionals who parrot alot about the conditions and spend time with them.

People with these conditions still fill up our prisons the same as they ever did......Those who have the conditions but on the higher end of the spectrum still succeed.....Same as they ever did.

The whole dance is just a joke really.....A saga of waffle and back covering.

If a child can't cope at school but they aren't badly behaved then they should get extra help (though even now that only happens with a percentage). If a child is badly behaved for an extended period they should be pulled out of mainstream.....That doesn't happen nearly enough as it needs to at secondary or any other level.....It often leads to educational disruption for other children.....Especially the nice but educationally average or below average children who have to sit in class with them.....All because the school won't or can't provide alternatives for children who shouldn't really be in mainstream.

My own sister has a teenager with diagnosed autism.....apparently the lad has never behaved badly because it's the condition's fault......Now I accept that he obviously does have the condition....But I also know that it's made far worse by indulgent parenting and 'excuse culture'.

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Kermit8 Hevon 28 Feb 15 3.00pm
Since the death of good old home cooking and the gorging of processed chemical laden crap there is a school of thought that a lot of child conditions are attributable to diet and not just the obese problem that gets most coverage. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Since the death of good old home cooking and the gorging of processed chemical laden crap there is a school of thought that a lot of child conditions are attributable to diet and not just the obese problem that gets most coverage.

Big chest and massive boobs

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