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dg1937 Flag 19 Jan 14 11.14am Send a Private Message to dg1937 Add dg1937 as a friend

I stand corrected, he used a mixture of "I" and "we" in the article but "we" would have been more accurate in the context of this specific quote. He also said: "What I can assure supporters today is that we are actively seeking additions to the squad"; and "Tony, Iain Moody and I have identified a list of targets".

 

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sydtheeagle Flag England 19 Jan 14 11.26am Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Quote braunstoneagle at 19 Jan 2014 10.52am

parish said that moody was brought in as he had a better knowledge of transfer dealings/certain aspects of football than he did.

he acknowledged a weakness in his own skillset and plugged the hole by employing moody.

Fair enough, but surely in that case Parrish should give Moody a clear budget and leave him alone to get on with his job. Why is Parrish even commenting on transfers in the media, or involved in any way? As you've just said, it's not his skill set. And please don't give me the line that "he's the owner. He can do what he wants." That's a business model for failure...not success.

When I ran a department of a corporation, I didn't expect my CEO to answer questions about the performance of that department, nor did he have any inclination to do so. If I did well, I got a pat on the back. If I did poorly, I was fired. But at board meetings (and media interviews), I answered for my work. Parrish -- if this is indeed why Moody has been brought in -- would do well to limit his comments to the realm of financial performance and annual reports which are the domain of the CEO. Not transfer activity, for which he's recruited someone to do the job.

From where I sit you have three people not on the same page at all. Parrish has brought Moody in as you explain above, but he's undermining him with his constant media comments about purse strings and wage structures. Moody probably has his ideas about what to do but it's important to remember that he's standing on his own two feet for the first time, no longer working for a friend in an environment in which he feels secure (Malky, Cardiff) and furthermore having to report to a massive ego (Parrish) and satisfy someone with a world of experience (Pulis). In truth, Moody is young and inexperienced. He's really only done the job for a couple of years. And Pulis probably thinks he knows better than both (and he's right; he does) and is frustrated that he's got not one fool but two between him and the squad he wants.

Sounds like what our American friends call a clusterf*&k to me. All I can say is that while no manager's history in the transfer market is perfect and Pulis has certainly made his mistakes, when it comes to making the moves needed to keep us up, I know damn well who I'd prefer in the driver's seat and it's not Parrish or Moody.

 


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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 19 Jan 14 11.28am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

How about a scenario that sees Pulis leaving at the end of the season and Malky Mackay coming in as manager ?

 


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sydtheeagle Flag England 19 Jan 14 11.36am Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Quote NEILLO at 19 Jan 2014 11.28am

How about a scenario that sees Pulis leaving at the end of the season and Malky Mackay coming in as manager ?

You know what? The thing that would prevent this is that Malky is at Norwich by that point. But if not, would not surprise me one bit. Good guess. If Malky IS at Norwich, would not surprise me if Moody joined him there as between Parrish's ego and Pulis' experience, there doesn't seem to be much need for him here.

I wonder if Moody was hired in the belief that we'd recruit a Petrescu/Karanka-type younger foreign manager in which case he might have had a clearer role, but when we ended up with a vastly experienced English manager, he became a little surplus to requirements?

 


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Plane Flag Bromley 19 Jan 14 11.36am

Quote sydtheeagle at 19 Jan 2014 11.26am

Quote braunstoneagle at 19 Jan 2014 10.52am

parish said that moody was brought in as he had a better knowledge of transfer dealings/certain aspects of football than he did.

he acknowledged a weakness in his own skillset and plugged the hole by employing moody.

Fair enough, but surely in that case Parrish should give Moody a clear budget and leave him alone to get on with his job. Why is Parrish even commenting on transfers in the media, or involved in any way? As you've just said, it's not his skill set. And please don't give me the line that "he's the owner. He can do what he wants." That's a business model for failure...not success.

When I ran a department of a corporation, I didn't expect my CEO to answer questions about the performance of that department, nor did he have any inclination to do so. If I did well, I got a pat on the back. If I did poorly, I was fired. But at board meetings (and media interviews), I answered for my work. Parrish -- if this is indeed why Moody has been brought in -- would do well to limit his comments to the realm of financial performance and annual reports which are the domain of the CEO. Not transfer activity, for which he's recruited someone to do the job.

From where I sit you have three people not on the same page at all. Parrish has brought Moody in as you explain above, but he's undermining him with his constant media comments about purse strings and wage structures. Moody probably has his ideas about what to do but it's important to remember that he's standing on his own two feet for the first time, no longer working for a friend in an environment in which he feels secure (Malky, Cardiff) and furthermore having to report to a massive ego (Parrish) and satisfy someone with a world of experience (Pulis). In truth, Moody is young and inexperienced. He's really only done the job for a couple of years. And Pulis probably thinks he knows better than both (and he's right; he does) and is frustrated that he's got not one fool but two between him and the squad he wants.

Sounds like what our American friends call a clusterf*&k to me. All I can say is that while no manager's history in the transfer market is perfect and Pulis has certainly made his mistakes, when it comes to making the moves needed to keep us up, I know damn well who I'd prefer in the driver's seat and it's not Parrish or Moody.

It has been established that you find Steve Parish 'vulgar' and you seem to be seeking any opportunity to further the conspiracy theories. Give it a rest as you're very boring.

It would also help your argument if you could spell his name correctly, just out of respect for your victim.

 

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Plane Flag Bromley 19 Jan 14 11.38am

Quote sydtheeagle at 19 Jan 2014 11.36am

Quote NEILLO at 19 Jan 2014 11.28am

How about a scenario that sees Pulis leaving at the end of the season and Malky Mackay coming in as manager ?

You know what? The thing that would prevent this is that Malky is at Norwich by that point. But if not, would not surprise me one bit. Good guess. If Malky IS at Norwich, would not surprise me if Moody joined him there as between Parrish's ego and Pulis' experience, there doesn't seem to be much need for him here.

I wonder if Moody was hired in the belief that we'd recruit a Petrescu/Karanka-type younger foreign manager in which case he might have had a clearer role, but when we ended up with a vastly experienced English manager, he became a little surplus to requirements?

This above, just underline what I have stated in my previous post.

 

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beer man Flag Kent 19 Jan 14 11.40am Send a Private Message to beer man Add beer man as a friend

Doesn't look like we'll be spending much anyway

Parish on 5 Live:

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Jan 14 11.42am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Quote sydtheeagle at 19 Jan 2014 11.36am
there as between Parrish's ego

Think that Parish is being depicted as the re-incarnation of Jordan. Young businessman with flowing blonde locks and always willing to be in the public eye.

 

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sydtheeagle Flag England 19 Jan 14 11.43am Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Quote Plane at 19 Jan 2014 11.36am

It has been established that you find Steve Parish 'vulgar' and you seem to be seeking any opportunity to further the conspiracy theories. Give it a rest as you're very boring.

It would also help your argument if you could spell his name correctly, just out of respect for your victim.

Touche with regard to the point about spelling but the fact that I don't like Parrish doesn't mean I can't write a well-reasoned criticism. It's a pity you responded with a barb at me rather than addressing the perfectly valid points I raised.


Edited by sydtheeagle (19 Jan 2014 11.43am)

 


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sydtheeagle Flag England 19 Jan 14 11.46am Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Quote Willo at 19 Jan 2014 11.42am

Quote sydtheeagle at 19 Jan 2014 11.36am
there as between Parrish's ego

Think that Parish is being depicted as the re-incarnation of Jordan. Young businessman with flowing blonde locks and always willing to be in the public eye.

As Braunie pointed out, there are superficial similarities but also profound differences. Parrish is a highly competent businessman. Jordan was never that; at best, he was once a lucky one. However, there is no denying that what the two of them have in common is a huge ego (and flowing blond locks.) But that's where any similarity ends.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Jan 14 11.48am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Quote sydtheeagle at 19 Jan 2014 11.43am

the perfectly valid points I raised.

Sydtheeagle

A lot of the points you raise on HOL certainly resonate with me.I enjoy reading your erudite and well-considered posts.


 

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Plane Flag Bromley 19 Jan 14 11.49am

Quote sydtheeagle at 19 Jan 2014 11.43am

Quote Plane at 19 Jan 2014 11.36am

It has been established that you find Steve Parish 'vulgar' and you seem to be seeking any opportunity to further the conspiracy theories. Give it a rest as you're very boring.

It would also help your argument if you could spell his name correctly, just out of respect for your victim.

Touche with regard to the point about spelling but the fact that I don't like Parrish doesn't mean I can't write a well-reasoned criticism. It's a pity you responded with a barb at me rather than addressing the perfectly valid points I raised.

Edited by sydtheeagle (19 Jan 2014 11.43am)

You didn't raise any. As I said, you are only interested in promoting your conspiracy theories and you still didn't spell Parish's name correctly, you're either ignorant or you're trying to goad someone, it isn't me btw.

 

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