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Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 Apr 20 8.10pm
Originally posted by BlueJay A sensible move by Germany to make wearing masks in public compulsory in most situations [Link] If we start opening up more in May combined with a measure such as this, that may well be enough to keep the numbers under control and snuff out the prospect of further lockdowns. ‘What are the rules in Germany? The new rules come into force in most states from Monday, once they pass in local legislatures. But where face masks will be required differs from state. All 16 states will make facial coverings a necessity on public transport. But in Berlin, it will not be compulsory to wear a mask when shopping. This is also the case in the northern state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania: that state has announced a fine of €25 (£22; $27) for anyone caught without one on public transport. Other states have yet to specify punishments.’ Strange masks aren’t going to be compulsory in shops in some German states. Maybe they think it won’t be followed everywhere, but shops are (a big) part of the point and of minimising risk, and it’s not as if the masks being used will be blocking out 95-99% of particles like the FFP2 and FFP3 masks. The cloth ones with block (absorb) more like 20% but if everyone is wearing them then at least everyone will believe or hope germs aren’t escaping people’s mouths and noses. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 22 Apr 20 8.10pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

A sensible move by Germany to make wearing masks in public compulsory in most situations [Link]

If we start opening up more in May combined with a measure such as this, that may well be enough to keep the numbers under control and snuff out the prospect of further lockdowns.

‘What are the rules in Germany?
The new rules come into force in most states from Monday, once they pass in local legislatures. But where face masks will be required differs from state.
All 16 states will make facial coverings a necessity on public transport. But in Berlin, it will not be compulsory to wear a mask when shopping.
This is also the case in the northern state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania: that state has announced a fine of €25 (£22; $27) for anyone caught without one on public transport. Other states have yet to specify punishments.’

Strange masks aren’t going to be compulsory in shops in some German states. Maybe they think it won’t be followed everywhere, but shops are (a big) part of the point and of minimising risk, and it’s not as if the masks being used will be blocking out 95-99% of particles like the FFP2 and FFP3 masks. The cloth ones with block (absorb) more like 20% but if everyone is wearing them then at least everyone will believe or hope germs aren’t escaping people’s mouths and noses.

COYP

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Apr 20 9.34pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Decent masks will have to be more accessible than they are at the moment though I guess we will be encouraged to make our own and the WI will be working their fingers to the bone soon so that those that cannot make them will be provided. From what I understand something really simple that covers your mouth and nose so a cough or a sneeze doesn't travel is all that's needed. Watch this video on how not to do it:- [Link] For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 22 Apr 20 9.34pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Decent masks will have to be more accessible than they are at the moment though

I guess we will be encouraged to make our own and the WI will be working their fingers to the bone soon so that those that cannot make them will be provided.

From what I understand something really simple that covers your mouth and nose so a cough or a sneeze doesn't travel is all that's needed.

Watch this video on how not to do it:-

[Link]

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Mapletree Croydon 22 Apr 20 11.42pm
Years of underinvestment in healthcare has hampered the UK's ability to respond to the coronavirus pandemic, the boss of Roche, one of the world's largest pharmaceutical and diagnostic companies, has told the BBC. "The real issue here is that the UK has probably not invested enough into healthcare," Severin Schwan, Roche chief executive, told the Newsnight programme in an interview to be aired on Wednesday evening. "It really shows up in such a crisis when the system is more stressed." Roche is a key partner of the government and Public Health England in ramping up testing for Covid19. Mr Schwan added: “You can't fix the infrastructure in a couple of weeks. I mean, if there is too little investment over many years into the healthcare system, then it's simply not possible to ramp up as fast as you would wish in such a challenging situation.”
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Years of underinvestment in healthcare has hampered the UK's ability to respond to the coronavirus pandemic, the boss of Roche, one of the world's largest pharmaceutical and diagnostic companies, has told the BBC.

"The real issue here is that the UK has probably not invested enough into healthcare," Severin Schwan, Roche chief executive, told the Newsnight programme in an interview to be aired on Wednesday evening.

"It really shows up in such a crisis when the system is more stressed."

Roche is a key partner of the government and Public Health England in ramping up testing for Covid19.

Mr Schwan added: “You can't fix the infrastructure in a couple of weeks. I mean, if there is too little investment over many years into the healthcare system, then it's simply not possible to ramp up as fast as you would wish in such a challenging situation.”

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Apr 20 12.07am
The weak, inept, incompetent or underfunded get shown up in a crisis. The thing is that this is a 100 year pandemic. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 23 Apr 20 12.07am

The weak, inept, incompetent or underfunded get shown up in a crisis. The thing is that this is a 100 year pandemic.

COYP

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dynamicdick Dormansland 23 Apr 20 12.15am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman The weak, inept, incompetent or underfunded get shown up in a crisis. The thing is that this is a 100 year pandemic. Absolutely Rudi and every other Country in the World wants/needs PPE now!! Bring back Brolin
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dynamicdick

Dormansland 23 Apr 20 12.15am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The weak, inept, incompetent or underfunded get shown up in a crisis. The thing is that this is a 100 year pandemic.

Absolutely Rudi and every other Country in the World wants/needs PPE now!!

Bring back Brolin

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Teddy Eagle 23 Apr 20 12.17am
Originally posted by Mapletree Years of underinvestment in healthcare has hampered the UK's ability to respond to the coronavirus pandemic, the boss of Roche, one of the world's largest pharmaceutical and diagnostic companies, has told the BBC. "The real issue here is that the UK has probably not invested enough into healthcare," Severin Schwan, Roche chief executive, told the Newsnight programme in an interview to be aired on Wednesday evening. "It really shows up in such a crisis when the system is more stressed." Roche is a key partner of the government and Public Health England in ramping up testing for Covid19. Mr Schwan added: “You can't fix the infrastructure in a couple of weeks. I mean, if there is too little investment over many years into the healthcare system, then it's simply not possible to ramp up as fast as you would wish in such a challenging situation.” Macron has said France had a stockpile of 14O,OOO,OOO masks which turned out to be less than one month’s requirement post Covid. How many should the NHS have had in reserve?
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Teddy Eagle

23 Apr 20 12.17am

Originally posted by Mapletree

"It really shows up in such a crisis when the system is more stressed."

Roche is a key partner of the government and Public Health England in ramping up testing for Covid19.

Macron has said France had a stockpile of 14O,OOO,OOO masks which turned out to be less than one month’s requirement post Covid. How many should the NHS have had in reserve?

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dannyboy1978 23 Apr 20 3.41am
Originally posted by Mapletree Years of underinvestment in healthcare has hampered the UK's ability to respond to the coronavirus pandemic, the boss of Roche, one of the world's largest pharmaceutical and diagnostic companies, has told the BBC. "The real issue here is that the UK has probably not invested enough into healthcare," Severin Schwan, Roche chief executive, told the Newsnight programme in an interview to be aired on Wednesday evening. "It really shows up in such a crisis when the system is more stressed." Roche is a key partner of the government and Public Health England in ramping up testing for Covid19. Mr Schwan added: “You can't fix the infrastructure in a couple of weeks. I mean, if there is too little investment over many years into the healthcare system, then it's simply not possible to ramp up as fast as you would wish in such a challenging situation.” Knightingale only has a few people in it, doesn't seem we are stretched. And "the boss of Roche, one of the world's largest pharmaceutical " says we need to spend more money lol . I bet he does
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dannyboy1978

23 Apr 20 3.41am

Originally posted by Mapletree

"It really shows up in such a crisis when the system is more stressed."

Roche is a key partner of the government and Public Health England in ramping up testing for Covid19.

Knightingale only has a few people in it, doesn't seem we are stretched.
And "the boss of Roche, one of the world's largest pharmaceutical " says we need to spend more money lol . I bet he does

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cryrst The garden of England 23 Apr 20 5.57am
There was an article read on the wireless the other day that said a report stated we were the 2nd most prepared country in the world. Cant say when or who as forgot who said it but it was said.
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cryrst

The garden of England 23 Apr 20 5.57am

There was an article read on the wireless the other day that said a report stated we were the 2nd most prepared country in the world. Cant say when or who as forgot who said it but it was said.

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Badger11 Beckenham 23 Apr 20 6.44am
Poland and Denmark have the right idea about supporting companies financially. [Link] If they are not registered taxpayers in their countries "sod off". Richard Branson take note, you want compo ask the Swiss. Edited by Badger11 (23 Apr 2020 6.44am) One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 23 Apr 20 6.44am

Poland and Denmark have the right idea about supporting companies financially.

[Link]

If they are not registered taxpayers in their countries "sod off". Richard Branson take note, you want compo ask the Swiss.

Edited by Badger11 (23 Apr 2020 6.44am)

One more point

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Midlands Eagle 23 Apr 20 6.48am
Originally posted by cryrst There was an article read on the wireless the other day that said a report stated we were the 2nd most prepared country in the world. Cant say when or who as forgot who said it but it was said. It's unusual in this day and age to hear something positive about our handling of the crisis as the media lead by our trusty BBC are trying to dish up as much negative press as they can find. Today's headlines is that "Essential workers are being ripped off at the petrol pumps" written by their business reporter who clearly has no grasp of company economics
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23 Apr 20 6.48am

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Originally posted by cryrst

There was an article read on the wireless the other day that said a report stated we were the 2nd most prepared country in the world. Cant say when or who as forgot who said it but it was said.

It's unusual in this day and age to hear something positive about our handling of the crisis as the media lead by our trusty BBC are trying to dish up as much negative press as they can find.

Today's headlines is that "Essential workers are being ripped off at the petrol pumps" written by their business reporter who clearly has no grasp of company economics

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Spiderman Horsham 23 Apr 20 8.30am
Originally posted by Badger11 Poland and Denmark have the right idea about supporting companies financially. [Link] If they are not registered taxpayers in their countries "sod off". Richard Branson take note, you want compo ask the Swiss. Edited by Badger11 (23 Apr 2020 6.44am) I am not sure whether Virgin is registered abroad but Branson definitely pays no tax here. Also Virgin airlines is 48% owned by Delta, perhaps he could try asking Trump for a bailout
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Spiderman

Horsham 23 Apr 20 8.30am

Originally posted by Badger11

Poland and Denmark have the right idea about supporting companies financially.

[Link]

If they are not registered taxpayers in their countries "sod off". Richard Branson take note, you want compo ask the Swiss.

Edited by Badger11 (23 Apr 2020 6.44am)

I am not sure whether Virgin is registered abroad but Branson definitely pays no tax here. Also Virgin airlines is 48% owned by Delta, perhaps he could try asking Trump for a bailout

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Mapletree Croydon 23 Apr 20 8.35am
Originally posted by cryrst There was an article read on the wireless the other day that said a report stated we were the 2nd most prepared country in the world. Cant say when or who as forgot who said it but it was said. I posted that long ago. It is based primarily on ability to react not preexisting healthcare capability It remains to be reviewed as to whether we enacted as well as we could have. Underinvestment means an overall weakened system. IT for example. We had 10 years of everything relatively speaking going backward. I would be surprised if anyone disputed the effects of austerity were retrograde.
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Mapletree

Croydon 23 Apr 20 8.35am

Originally posted by cryrst

There was an article read on the wireless the other day that said a report stated we were the 2nd most prepared country in the world. Cant say when or who as forgot who said it but it was said.

I posted that long ago. It is based primarily on ability to react not preexisting healthcare capability

It remains to be reviewed as to whether we enacted as well as we could have.

Underinvestment means an overall weakened system. IT for example. We had 10 years of everything relatively speaking going backward. I would be surprised if anyone disputed the effects of austerity were retrograde.

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