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W12 29 Jun 22 7.33pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

As if Ukraine would've been given full NATO membership anyway. The West has been measured precisely because they know how off the handle Russia can be. We can hardly therefore blame Sweden and Finland for seeking membership, and we should certainly defend them and their people if attacked.

Edited by BlueJay (29 Jun 2022 7.23pm)

Sorry but you are getting quite incoherent and emotional. In what way does Sweden and Finland benefit from joining NATO after years of being independent of NATO. How does this make those countries seem less of a threat to Russia if Russian concerns are NATO expansionism?

 

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W12 29 Jun 22 7.38pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

As if Ukraine would've been given full NATO membership anyway. The West has been measured precisely because they know how off the handle Russia can be. We can hardly therefore blame Sweden and Finland for seeking membership, and we should certainly defend them and their people if attacked.

Edited by BlueJay (29 Jun 2022 7.23pm)

Oh and by the way, this might be extremely leftfield but why do I imagine you to be totally jabbed up to the eyeballs with Astrazenica or some such s***?

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 29 Jun 22 7.43pm

Originally posted by W12

Sorry but you are getting quite incoherent and emotional. In what way does Sweden and Finland benefit from joining NATO after years of being independent of NATO. How does this make those countries seem less of a threat to Russia if Russian concerns are NATO expansionism?

The bloke carded on account of routinely reeling off profanity at others during his rage fits (where there isn't total subservience to Kremlin propoganda) thinks others are being 'emotional'.

Sweden and Finland benefit from protection offered should they be attacked. They likey didn't view they needed such protection but Russias eratic conduct have resulted in massive public support for joining (or no doubt to you, 'wicked lies from corrupt western media!). Of course your warped stance is that an attack on them is now made somehow more legitimate on account that they have joined a 'defensive pact'. Why should they care if Russia imagine them to be more of threat, when Russia is the country engaging in threats and bombing and they are not? Grow a pair of balls, instead of bending over for Russia at every opportunity.


Edited by BlueJay (29 Jun 2022 7.53pm)

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 29 Jun 22 7.52pm

Originally posted by W12

Oh and by the way, this might be extremely leftfield but why do I imagine you to be totally jabbed up to the eyeballs with Astrazenica or some such s***?

Probably because you adopt batches of extreme online alt-media beliefs? Your oft stated covid view is that is has never killed a healthy person, that the vaccine has saved no lives but has likely killed tens of thousands of Brits. How 'sane'.

Like the majority of people wishing to travel and create a base of protection, I've had two jabs and a booster, Columbo. Due to having to be around others through work and social ties I've also had covid, and so from here or on will just rely on catching whatever the latest variant passing through is, rather than further vaccinations. That would seem to be a reasoned stance. This far in, if covid is really going to harm people the damage is likely already done, with the exception of jabs for the elderly which of course make sense.


Anyway, this isn't a covid thread.

Edited by BlueJay (29 Jun 2022 7.54pm)

 

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W12 29 Jun 22 7.58pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

The bloke carded on account of routinely reeling off profanity at others during his rage fits (where there isn't total subserviance to Kremlin propoganda) thinks others are being 'emotional'.

Sweden and Finland benefit from protection offered should they be attacked. They likey didn't view they needed such protection but Russias eratic conduct have resulted in massive public support for joining (or no doubt to you, 'wicked lies from corrupt western media!). Of course your warped stance is that an attack on them is now made somehow more legitimate on account that they have joined a 'defensive pact'. Why should they care if Russia imagine them to be more of threat, when Russia is the country engaging in threats and bombing and they are not? Grow a pair of balls, instead of bending over for Russia at every opportunity.

What makes you think Sweden and Finland were under threat after decades happily outside of NATO? What reason has Russia to attack either other than them being part of a block of countries that are hostile?

Would you talk to me like this if we were in a pub, would you call someone who disagreed with you "warped" face to face? Happy to meet up for a face to face that if it helps your understanding of my position.

 

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W12 29 Jun 22 8.20pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

Probably because you adopt batches of extreme online alt-media beliefs? Your oft stated covid view is that is has never killed a healthy person, that the vaccine has saved no lives but has likely killed tens of thousands of Brits. How 'sane'.

Like the majority of people wishing to travel and create a base of protection, I've had two jabs and a booster, Columbo. Due to having to be around others through work and social ties I've also had covid, and so from here or on will just rely on catching whatever the latest variant passing through is, rather than further vaccinations. That would seem to be a reasoned stance. This far in, if covid is really going to harm people the damage is likely already done, with the exception of jabs for the elderly which of course make sense.


Anyway, this isn't a covid thread.

Edited by BlueJay (29 Jun 2022 7.54pm)

Yeah but you seem to acting like a bit of a coward. Sorry to change the subject but I think it's relevant to your fear of "Putin". You literally took a gene therapy just to travel it seems.

Cowardice to me is the number one problem in our society leading to things like self censorship. Be a man.

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jun 22 8.28pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Some positions just seem so entrenched, they're not worth trying to engage with.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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W12 29 Jun 22 8.30pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Some positions just seem so entrenched, they're not worth trying to engage with.

That's a fairly recent thing - my take is that's it's dumbing down

 

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W12 29 Jun 22 8.31pm

And the internet encourages cowardice

 

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W12 29 Jun 22 8.41pm

looks like BlueJay has f***ed off.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 Jun 22 10.15pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by W12

looks like BlueJay has f***ed off.

Well, then he has seen sense. There is no point arguing with you, debating with you or giving any benefit of the doubt.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 Jun 22 10.28pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Not sure if you can read this:
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I think you will find W12 to be so well informed he doesn’t need to read such reports

 

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