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Park Road  10 Jun 19 1.42pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Twisting or putting words in my As for you not wanting to apologise just shows your arrogance. Only big men apologize,little insignificant narciccist, like you and Trump make excuses
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 Stirlingsays  10 Jun 19 1.43pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The subject is the freedom of the press and not the term "suppression". If this happened then the press exercised voluntary restraint. In doing so they would have also decided to suppress publishing the story but as the decision was their's no-one was suppressing them. As I said criticism of the roles of everyone involved, made with hindsight, is perfectly valid, whether by you or a Judge. What isn't valid is to suggest that this means that press freedom was compromised. It wasn't. Your statements are nonsensical. You supported the position taken by the Police, the institutions and the press and this was criticised in all the reviews. The attitude you take to this was roundly condemned. Yet you continue to argue that no suppression took place when all these institutions acted in support of one another until the Times broke the story.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 19 1.43pm |
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Originally posted by Park Road
How do you know the decision was theirs? You are just making things up as they come along. You have no idea who makes the decision. I'll repeat, your dangerous views are either ill informed or you are a fantasist. I'm going for the latter Edited by Park Road (10 Jun 2019 1.38pm) If you actually read what I have written then you know that I don't know if that is indeed what they did. All I have said is that IF they did do that, and they took that decision themselves, then there was no threat to press freedom. If they had been instructed to do so, which I very strongly doubt because such an instruction would of itself become front page news, then press freedom would have been grossly compromised.
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| Park Road 10 Jun 19 1.48pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you actually read what I have written then you know that I don't know if that is indeed what they did. All I have said is that IF they did do that, and they took that decision themselves, then there was no threat to press freedom. If they had been instructed to do so, which I very strongly doubt because such an instruction would of itself become front page news, then press freedom would have been grossly compromised.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 19 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Your statements are nonsensical. You supported the position taken by the Police and the press and this was criticised in all the reviews. The attitude you take to this was roundly condemned. Yet you continue to argue that no suppression took place when all these institutions acted in support of one another until the Times broke the story.
I think you are getting confused. Press freedom is the topic. Everything else is just context. This isn't about whether any individuals, or institutions, deserve criticism after reviews and with the benefit of hindsight. I supported the Police and the authorities taking their decisions at the time they did, without the benefit of hindsight as I am quite sure that they did so because they believed it to be then the best course of action open to them. I have no more idea than anyone else whether the media decided to co-operate with the Police and exercise voluntary restraint so that the problem could be solved quietly and without raising alarms. All I have said is if they did do that then it is not an issue of press freedom. It doesn't mean it cannot be criticised. Only if evidence of any instructions being given to the media not to cover the story emerge could any press freedom issues come into play. I don't think that is very likely as I think the media would quickly cry foul if anyone tried to do that.
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| Midlands Eagle 10 Jun 19 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by Park Road
You obviously just ignored my warning this morning so now we'll all have a rest from your insults
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jun 19 2.17pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have no more idea than anyone else whether the media decided to co-operate with the Police and exercise voluntary restraint so that the problem could be solved quietly and without raising alarms. These rapes happened for well over a decade. They occurred in many multiple locations within the country. I find your attitude towards this naive in the extreme. I've really said all I wish to on this matter. Our words stand as our positions. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2019 2.18pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 19 5.22pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
These rapes happened for well over a decade. They occurred in many multiple locations within the country. I find your attitude towards this naive in the extreme. They well may have been but as we were discussing whether the freedom of the press had been compromised they are as irrelevant to the discussion as the price of fish. There is nothing naive in trying to stay on topic and every indication of yet another attempt at a diversion. I've really said all I wish to on this matter. Our words stand as our positions. Holes and the need to stop digging come to my mind! Let those who can be bothered read all they want. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jun 2019 2.18pm)
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Teddy Eagle  10 Jun 19 5.38pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How can the systematic rape of thousands of vulnerable girls be comparable to anything? There was a horrible price to be paid for this refusal to report what was going on. The victims are infinitely more important than any theoretical arguments about the freedom of the press.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 10 Jun 19 8.53pm |
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I can critique Trump easily. He has brought shame on the Office of American President by his dealings with Stormy Daniels, sacking of staff and dicking Teressa May into giving him a State visit. What I commend him for is : 1. Reigning in the meeja I am hoping his lack of morals in his personal life, will not extend to un-regulated US weapons sales And why the fck am I watching Michael Sheen begging for money from me for Yemeni children on TV ? Shouldn't the western arms companies and Saudi Arabia be paying for that ? They have 5hlt loads of cash, and are the direct cause of suffering
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| ChrisGC Wantage 10 Jun 19 9.36pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
I can critique Trump easily. He has brought shame on the Office of American President by his dealings with Stormy Daniels, sacking of staff and dicking Teressa May into giving him a State visit. What I commend him for is : 1. Reigning in the meeja I am hoping his lack of morals in his personal life, will not extend to un-regulated US weapons sales And why the fck am I watching Michael Sheen begging for money from me for Yemeni children on TV ? Shouldn't the western arms companies and Saudi Arabia be paying for that ? They have 5hlt loads of cash, and are the direct cause of suffering In fairness, aren't most politicians' personal lives worse? Bill Clinton takes the biscuit on that score, even John Major was slipping old grot bags a bit of sausage
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jun 19 10.10pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
How can the systematic rape of thousands of vulnerable girls be comparable to anything? There was a horrible price to be paid for this refusal to report what was going on. The victims are infinitely more important than any theoretical arguments about the freedom of the press. As I completely agree why don't you make your comment to the person that started to do so.
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