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legaleagle 02 Jun 17 8.02pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 In what way are the current cabinet are Maggie'spiritual and ideological successors? Just because they are Tories? Does that make Corbyn, Blair's spiritual and ideological successor, or perhaps Ramsey MacDonald? Certainly Thatcher's friendliness towards Pinochet does her no credit. But of course his body count is tiny compared to the communists that Corbyn's campaign leader, Andrew Murray praised while a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain, he only left it in December 2016. Corbyn did not just suggest talking to the Provos, he actively showed support for them, as did the shadow Chancellor and shadow Home Secretary - all in a manner similar in the ways you complain about Thatcher. Mr Hedgehog, Your "Pinochet" point doesn't actually answer my point. And you don't apply the same standards to Maggie as you do to Labour politicians.By the way,Maggie also provided military training to the Khmer Rouge. If you disagree that the PM and much of the cabinet are spiritual and ideological successors of Maggie (as opposed to say MacMillan and that Corbyn's is plainly not Ramsey McDonald's) ..I'm not sure I can help you further. Edited by legaleagle (02 Jun 2017 8.06pm)
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02 Jun 17 8.02pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

In what way are the current cabinet are Maggie'spiritual and ideological successors? Just because they are Tories? Does that make Corbyn, Blair's spiritual and ideological successor, or perhaps Ramsey MacDonald? Certainly Thatcher's friendliness towards Pinochet does her no credit. But of course his body count is tiny compared to the communists that Corbyn's campaign leader, Andrew Murray praised while a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain, he only left it in December 2016. Corbyn did not just suggest talking to the Provos, he actively showed support for them, as did the shadow Chancellor and shadow Home Secretary - all in a manner similar in the ways you complain about Thatcher.

Mr Hedgehog,

Your "Pinochet" point doesn't actually answer my point.

And you don't apply the same standards to Maggie as you do to Labour politicians.By the way,Maggie also provided military training to the Khmer Rouge.

If you disagree that the PM and much of the cabinet are spiritual and ideological successors of Maggie (as opposed to say MacMillan and that Corbyn's is plainly not Ramsey McDonald's) ..I'm not sure I can help you further.

Edited by legaleagle (02 Jun 2017 8.06pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jun 17 8.10pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt 8/11 with BetFred that he doesn't. All bets are off. He just Googled it.
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02 Jun 17 8.10pm

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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

8/11 with BetFred that he doesn't.

All bets are off. He just Googled it.

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steeleye20 Croydon 02 Jun 17 8.21pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 The full quote is: "I'm also very much aware that it is you who brought democracy to Chile, you set up a constitution suitable for democracy, you put it into effect, elections were held, and then, in accordance with the result, you stepped down." But is Thatcher standing in this election? IRA fans Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbot are. Edited by hedgehog50 (02 Jun 2017 7.22pm) No Pinochet was a terrorist who came to power backed by the CIA overthrowing the democratically elected government of Allende. He called a referendum in 1988 to confirm his powers but was defeated and had no option but to let the democratic process be restored. IMO you do have to talk to terrorists where there is no prospect of peace and there's no doubt Thatcher knew all about Pinochet and was quite happy to sit down with him likewise Tony Blair with the IRA. To call them your friends however can't see why Thatcher went that far at arms length would have been more appropriate.
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Croydon 02 Jun 17 8.21pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The full quote is:
"I'm also very much aware that it is you who brought democracy to Chile, you set up a constitution suitable for democracy, you put it into effect, elections were held, and then, in accordance with the result, you stepped down."
But is Thatcher standing in this election? IRA fans Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbot are.

Edited by hedgehog50 (02 Jun 2017 7.22pm)

No Pinochet was a terrorist who came to power backed by the CIA overthrowing the democratically elected government of Allende.

He called a referendum in 1988 to confirm his powers but was defeated and had no option but to let the democratic process be restored.

IMO you do have to talk to terrorists where there is no prospect of peace and there's no doubt Thatcher knew all about Pinochet and was quite happy to sit down with him likewise Tony Blair with the IRA.

To call them your friends however can't see why Thatcher went that far at arms length would have been more appropriate.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 02 Jun 17 8.22pm
Originally posted by legaleagle Mr Hedgehog, Your "Pinochet" point doesn't actually answer my point. And you don't apply the same standards to Maggie as you do to Labour politicians.By the way,Maggie also provided military training to the Khmer Rouge. If you disagree that the PM and much of the cabinet are spiritual and ideological successors of Maggie (as opposed to say MacMillan and that Corbyn's is plainly not Ramsey McDonald's) ..I'm not sure I can help you further. Edited by legaleagle (02 Jun 2017 8.06pm) Your point? You disapprove of Thatcher being friendly to Pinochet, and as I said, so do I. Yet you have no problem with Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbot being friendly with IRA murderers. Why don't you apply the same standards to Labour leaders as you do to Thatcher. Is there evidence that Thatcher trained the Khmer Rouge - I do remember many on the left at the time voicing support for them. As for Ramsay MacDonald, if Corbyn came to power, he might well have to reverse all his policies, as MacDonald did, as reality starts to exert itself. Edited by hedgehog50 (02 Jun 2017 8.26pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 02 Jun 17 8.22pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Mr Hedgehog,

Your "Pinochet" point doesn't actually answer my point.

And you don't apply the same standards to Maggie as you do to Labour politicians.By the way,Maggie also provided military training to the Khmer Rouge.

Edited by legaleagle (02 Jun 2017 8.06pm)

Your point? You disapprove of Thatcher being friendly to Pinochet, and as I said, so do I. Yet you have no problem with Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbot being friendly with IRA murderers. Why don't you apply the same standards to Labour leaders as you do to Thatcher. Is there evidence that Thatcher trained the Khmer Rouge - I do remember many on the left at the time voicing support for them. As for Ramsay MacDonald, if Corbyn came to power, he might well have to reverse all his policies, as MacDonald did, as reality starts to exert itself.

Edited by hedgehog50 (02 Jun 2017 8.26pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 02 Jun 17 9.06pm
Meanwhile, the underfunded, cash-strapped NHS seeks to recruit more essential staff. [Link] Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 02 Jun 17 9.06pm

Meanwhile, the underfunded, cash-strapped NHS seeks to recruit more essential staff.

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Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jun 17 9.08pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Meanwhile, the underfunded, cash-strapped NHS seeks to recruit more essential staff. [Link] Do they have to know first aid?
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02 Jun 17 9.08pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Meanwhile, the underfunded, cash-strapped NHS seeks to recruit more essential staff.

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Do they have to know first aid?

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 02 Jun 17 9.15pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Do they have to know first aid? There's a whole load of 'diversity' and 'patient experience' drones employed by the NHS. On higher salaries than staff nurses or junior doctors. Everyone talks about 'money for the NHS' without looking into how the money's spent. It is an appallingly badly run organisation. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 02 Jun 17 9.15pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Do they have to know first aid?

There's a whole load of 'diversity' and 'patient experience' drones employed by the NHS. On higher salaries than staff nurses or junior doctors. Everyone talks about 'money for the NHS' without looking into how the money's spent. It is an appallingly badly run organisation.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jun 17 9.40pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt There's a whole load of 'diversity' and 'patient experience' drones employed by the NHS. On higher salaries than staff nurses or junior doctors. Everyone talks about 'money for the NHS' without looking into how the money's spent. It is an appallingly badly run organisation. Totally agree. The waste is scandalous.
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Hrolf The Ganger

02 Jun 17 9.40pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Totally agree. The waste is scandalous.

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steeleye20 Croydon 02 Jun 17 9.55pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Totally agree. The waste is scandalous. So how can that be after 7 years of Tory misrule. Surely it was all about cutting out waste. You can't trust the tories on the NHS.
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Croydon 02 Jun 17 9.55pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Totally agree. The waste is scandalous.

So how can that be after 7 years of Tory misrule.

Surely it was all about cutting out waste.

You can't trust the tories on the NHS.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 02 Jun 17 10.10pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 So how can that be after 7 years of Tory misrule. Surely it was all about cutting out waste. You can't trust the tories on the NHS. This is about internal NHS management. The Tories (or any government) don't tell them how they spend their money although, looking at this bollocks, they probably should. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 02 Jun 17 10.10pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

So how can that be after 7 years of Tory misrule.

Surely it was all about cutting out waste.

You can't trust the tories on the NHS.

This is about internal NHS management. The Tories (or any government) don't tell them how they spend their money although, looking at this bollocks, they probably should.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jun 17 10.42pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 So how can that be after 7 years of Tory misrule. Surely it was all about cutting out waste. You can't trust the tories on the NHS. Get some sleep flower.
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Hrolf The Ganger

02 Jun 17 10.42pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

So how can that be after 7 years of Tory misrule.

Surely it was all about cutting out waste.

You can't trust the tories on the NHS.

Get some sleep flower.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 02 Jun 17 10.46pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger All bets are off. He just Googled it. I don't use words I don't know.
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Shizzlehurst 02 Jun 17 10.46pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All bets are off. He just Googled it.

I don't use words I don't know.

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