It's not only me that thinks this is just more bs designed to keep the Trump base fired up. If there was any real evidence don't you think a Judge somewhere might agree? Even the soon to be ex AG Barr says there isn't.

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I'll ignore the rest of your response. It's all pointless repetitive and well-rehearsed right-wing tropes that add nothing anyone's knowledge.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

You have to wonder why the countless examples of debunked fraud appear to mean little to you? This being one of them of course.

Also, it was Republicans that voted down election security measures and funding again and again, so that doesn't fit the narrative very well [Link]

I have been mulling over your justification for violence the other day in the face of an election result and political happenings that you don't like. You ought to calm down and get a sense of perspective. Realise what's actually important in life in a holistic sense. It extends somewhat beyond 'being white'. Start listening and relating to those actually ,rather than virtually, around you.

Edited by BlueJay (17 Dec 2020 12.30am)

I don't care which brand of fairytale an individual adopts until it reaches a point that endangers others. With that in mind I don't for a moment think that all religions are created equal, as in at certain points in time some clearly bring far more problems than others. Is someone listening to a 'Headspace' meditation of the same 'risk profile' as an individual downloading sermons that declare hate for the west? Of course not. PC b0llocks to suggest otherwise.

If someone has a hardon for or makes excuses for violence - as you did btw - yes I'll highlight it regardless of their religious or political affiliation. It's all just belief systems, there's nothing actually magical or otherworldly about any of it - just ill advised. You're in that mix, not observing it. From your conduct, you would appear to have more in common with outlooks that you despise that you realise. 'Stare into the abyss' and all that.

Edited by BlueJay (17 Dec 2020 3.04am)

Well, lets look at what we know for sure.

Trump thinks he's been robbed and cheated, apparently over ninety percent of republican voters do as well....though I suspect it's lower than that.

Trump has replaced several generals with loyalists in the last month.

I think he's giving himself options and I think he's considered a military intervention.

Do I think he'll do it....I'd say I'm 70/30 on him not doing it, due to all the problems that flow from it and the fact that Trump only ever did thirty percent of what comes out of his mouth.

But hey....who knows.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Dec 2020 1.14am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Facts certainly don't care about feelings, that's an old right wing meme.....but what life has taught me is what turned out to be more important was that 'feelings don't care about facts'.

What's you are saying is sensible of course. In a political environment that was sensible no one would be where we are in the US.

We could write a book on the differences between the US and Europe but there is no doubt that really unhealthy levels of polarisation were encouraged by parties.....I remember the tea party's loathing of Obama (who I didn't like) which went to really over the top levels. I remember Bush Jnr being called a Nazi...which is funny as the Democrats now embrace him as a never Trumper.

All of this was aided by social media's propensity to divide (it's a lot easier to demonise and misunderstand in text rather than face to face) and that's played it's part...along with the left's use of identity politics (inspired by increasing demographic change) there has been a significant widening of the gap between the parties....of course antifa/blm/proud boys are all symptoms of of this gap and while they might have all started off differently they are now associated as the 'rough hands' for their parties.

All that was unthinkable when I was growing up.

The days of reaching across the bench and making deals of mutual interest went out of the window and even if some of the politicians tried it now they will be castigated by their base as traitors.

What i think about it all really depends upon which hat I'm wearing.....if the US doesn't split up (which is probable at some point due to the 1st and especially 2nd amendments) I see America's long term future as a majority hispanic and socialist nation....a corporate and social model similar to China....who will be a significant influence.

But to the here and now....Will Trump look to make that break and go for it?....that's wearing another hat. I definitely think he's considered it....why else change those generals.

When I think about what's best for him right now and ignore any moral concerns I wouldn't go for the coop. He could slip away, claim to have been cheated (there is a point there about covid and mail in ballots) and be could be a major figure (on the declining right) until he kicks the bucket. He has powerful lawyers and I really don't think it's in Democratic interests to pursue him or indeed let their friends do it.

A coop is an all or nothing strategy which is unlikely to succeed long term....he'd be seen as illegitimate and countries would break off relations....at least for a couple of years....that's a powerful disincentive even for elite republicans. They would have to believe he'd succeed and I don't think most of them want a Franco figure and a major risk of jail....I think the base are strong for Trump but the republican elites are far weaker and he'd need them both to pull it off.

Then again, if he thinks he's going to jail....

It's hard to be certain with Trump....because he loves the importance...and if you wanted..to go down in history you'd go for it. On the other hand I just don't think he has that Castro/Hitler 'all or nothing' aspect to him.

A quirky thought I know, but those two had made far less enemies on their own sides.

If he tried it he'd paint it as 'saving America from socialism' and justify it on the mail in ballots and so on.

I wonder if you can get odds at the bookies.

It would be a major event in all our lives....spicier than a spice burger with extra lashings of spice.

70/30 against.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Dec 2020 3.36am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)