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 OknotOK  Cockfosters, London 27 Jun 16 9.54am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Boris in the Telegraph 'I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe – and always will be' Might calm some of the pant wetters. Here's the key bit IMO at the end. The stock market is way above its level of last autumn; the pound remains higher than it was in 2013 and 2014. Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry. Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which could be used on priorities such as the NHS. Yes, we will be able to do free trade deals with the growth economies of the world in a way that is currently forbidden. Even now he can't stop lying! It's like it is literally built into his DNA. GBP:USD is currently 1.3352. That is the lowest level this millennium. The government will seek access to the single market, as Dan Hannan and others stated this weekend, which will mean accepting free movement. So no points-based system for EU migration. And he's on about putting the £350m to the NHS again which was possibly the biggest lie of the lot! Edited by OknotOK (27 Jun 2016 9.57am)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 10.20am |
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Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood
Good analogy but writing excel formulas is straight forward and is in fact just a case of learning a new language. Excel formulas follow practical logic, like IF formulas. My point rather is, the common sense I talk about, is that the younger generation are unable to think on their feet as mum and dad have done everything for them. If you put them inside a derelict dilapidated house and said, this room will have freshly plastered walls, oak floors and so on, they would struggle to visualise it. Not all of them, but a majority. Edited by DivingIsNotGood (27 Jun 2016 9.27am) They won't have heard of lateral thinking. Quick on a smartphone though. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 10.32am)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 10.30am |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
Even now he can't stop lying! It's like it is literally built into his DNA. GBP:USD is currently 1.3352. That is the lowest level this millennium. The government will seek access to the single market, as Dan Hannan and others stated this weekend, which will mean accepting free movement. So no points-based system for EU migration. And he's on about putting the £350m to the NHS again which was possibly the biggest lie of the lot! Edited by OknotOK (27 Jun 2016 9.57am)
People are missing the phrasing of possibilities of the money. 'Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which COULD BE USED ON priorities such as the NHS.' Farage even said this 30 seconds after admitting it wasn't definitely going to be spent on the NHS, something he can't ever decide anyway.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 27 Jun 16 10.43am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
People are missing the phrasing of possibilities of the money. 'Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which COULD BE USED ON priorities such as the NHS.' Farage even said this 30 seconds after admitting it wasn't definitely going to be spent on the NHS, something he can't ever decide anyway. Access to the single market does not have free movement as a negotiable construct. It is a necessity. It won't matter if it's David Cameron, Boris Johnson, or Bruce Willis* negotiating. I'm not missing the phrasing. I'm deliberately noticing that it has gone from a commitment to spend the £350m (a false number in the first place) on the NHS to a remote possibility and he's still trying to imply we still will spend the money on the NHS when he knows full well it will not be.
Edited by OknotOK (27 Jun 2016 10.44am)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jun 16 10.53am |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
Access to the single market does not have free movement as a negotiable construct. It is a necessity. It won't matter if it's David Cameron, Boris Johnson, or Bruce Willis* negotiating. I'm not missing the phrasing. I'm deliberately noticing that it has gone from a commitment to spend the £350m (a false number in the first place) on the NHS to a remote possibility and he's still trying to imply we still will spend the money on the NHS when he knows full well it will not be.
Edited by OknotOK (27 Jun 2016 10.44am) With respect I never viewed this as a "Commitment" - any such decisions are made by the Government of the day.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 10.54am |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
Access to the single market does not have free movement as a negotiable construct. It is a necessity. It won't matter if it's David Cameron, Boris Johnson, or Bruce Willis* negotiating. I'm not missing the phrasing. I'm deliberately noticing that it has gone from a commitment to spend the £350m (a false number in the first place) on the NHS to a remote possibility and he's still trying to imply we still will spend the money on the NHS when he knows full well it will not be.
I said people. You're claiming the lie a bit less than the sulkers out there. However, the bus said: 'We send the EU £350mil per week.' 'Let's fund our NHS instead. Vote Leave.' It doesn't say by how much fund the NHS. It was also said during the campaign, as Boris and Farage have said, that there are also other areas that need assistance. Schools etc. There will also be calls from some areas losing EU funding (that is incidentally equally matched by the UK). The £350mil is a gross figure which is under review in 2020. Quite a few of the EU members do not like our rebate and want it scrapped. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 10.56am)
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| Hoof Hearted 27 Jun 16 11.00am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I am not stupid Price rises are driven by other factors than the supply of the good. The availability of credit being a particular driver for London house prices. My children don't whine and aren't spoilt I have had more hardship in my life than you other than your health issues I eat home made sandwiches for my lunch still. I have never taken my full allocation of holiday and work 7 day, 70 hour weeks. I have a go at you and your ilk as you come across as 'I'm all right Jack'. Your lack of empathy is spectacular. You may not be stupid but your emotional intelligence clearly is low. My kids will make their own way. It is a shame that looks increasingly like it won't be in the UK as the opportunities shrink. You are stupid if you claim to know you have definitely suffered more setbacks/hardship than anyone on here, let alone me! This is a message board/forum. You can be certain about your own circumstances, but guessing about others - you are no better at that than you are about predicting our financial future. Clueless.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jun 16 11.11am |
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I despair at the left wing, pro Remain media, and that includes the BBC, now charging the Brexit camp with lying in their campaign and reneging on promises. Where it comes to the free movement of labour and other matters that really concern the man in the street, it is up to people to make sure politicians do what is right thing for the majority of the people and not corporations, not just minorities and not themselves. None of the parties can be trusted and a stronger form of activism might be required to keep them honest.We must make leaving the EU mean something and not just allow Westminster to let the same conditions prevail outside of the EU. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jun 2016 11.11am)
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| Hoof Hearted 27 Jun 16 11.11am | |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Like in 1975 when the we thought the EEC was a common trading platform, not the beginnings of a European Super State? I don't know about you, but I voted in 1975 and we were all hoodwinked! I'll bet you don't respond to this! What a shame there wasn't a bookmaker to to take this bet..... could have made another few bob. Am I on your Ignore list Michael? Perhaps you ought to "defriend" me whilst you're in this childish mood!
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| DivingIsNotGood se25 27 Jun 16 11.15am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I despair at the left wing, pro Remain media, and that includes the BBC, now charging the Brexit camp with lying in their campaign and reneging on promises. Where it comes to the free movement of labour and other matters that really concern the man in the street, it is up to people to make sure politicians do what is right thing for the majority of the people and not corporations, not just minorities and not themselves. None of the parties can be trusted and a stronger form of activism might be required to keep them honest.We must make leaving the EU mean something and not just allow Westminster to let the same conditions prevail outside of the EU. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jun 2016 11.11am) Big problem, the entire media BBC, Sky, Ch4 all remainers
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 11.16am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I despair at the left wing, pro Remain media, and that includes the BBC, now charging the Brexit camp with lying in their campaign and reneging on promises. No punishing emergency budget then, George? Staying in your position as well? Note: I don't necessarily want him out, yet. He knows the workings of the job for the meantime.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 27 Jun 16 11.17am |
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Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood
Big problem, the entire media BBC, Sky, Ch4 all remainers The Telegraph, the Sun, the Mail, the Star..... oh wait....
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