Violence is the ultimate authority.

If you back people into a corner that’s what you are going to get.

There is a huge amount of evidence to suggest mass voting fraud especially in the most important states. Trumps base can see this and also see that the entire media machine and even the neo-cons in their own party are willing to look the other way. At the same time there is equally clear evidence of the Bidens taking money from Ukraine but especially China and then there is the hard drive from hell (which Barr knew about and suppressed) . Add to this 4 years of the democrats bringing completely unfounded allegations of “Russian colllusion”, the nothing burger impeachment, the disgusting treatments of Flynn and others, Jussie Smollett, the kid demonised in the MAGA hat. This list is endless.

That’s not me advocating for violence which I think is what you are suggesting.

You create the conditions for violence and that’s what you get.

Do you consume conspiracy theories for breakfast, lunch and dinner?

It has to be the only reason you are suffering from this degree of indigestion. Try a little simple truth. It will make you feel a lot more hopeful and less stressed.

Deus Vult

One aspect I'm quite sure of is that people should be able to live within a system they feel comfortable with.....That would mean more nations or maybe much more independent regions...maybe even nations within nations but ones based upon culture or political ideology or perhaps both.....links would exist militarily and so on....kind of going back to the Greek city state model I suppose.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Dec 2020 6.51pm)

You don't need to converse with me to gain a superiority complex! It's there in almost everything you post.

I am as British as you claim to be. I though have been prepared to learn, accept and adjust as I have moved through life. I regard myself as wiser and a better person now than I was as a younger man. I didn't know any better then, but I do now.

If wanting my country to be progressive and part of the modern world makes me a traitor in your eyes sobeit. Knowing how your eyes view the world makes me take that as quite a compliment.

You claim to have changed but the attitudes you espouse seem to want to take us backwards and not forwards. Seeing things through rose coloured glasses is fine when reminiscing but you cannot live in the past. If the world changes so must you.

My Dad, bless him, served his country in the navy for many years was very proud of me and the things I showed him about how our world was changing. I have nothing at all to be ashamed about there. In my early life, quite a lot. But I changed. Maybe you haven't in a good direction and should think again.

I guess in its way own this is precisely what the United States is, with various states having different approaches and worldviews. Although there's the starkly tribal Democrat and Republican aspect (and echoes of the past), even outside of that individual states have their own unique character. So maybe the balance of power between the states and federal government is where a degree of re-tuning could take place. The alternative would be cessation but that comes with its own drawbacks and would involve giving up a degree of power while still being beholden to the whims or demands of the rest of the country (unless it was a significant and uniformed move).

Time will tell. I tend to think that most people concentrate on day to day concerns, and that both time and gradual changes in demographics feed into their sense of their identity and what is important to them. That manifests itself in people in different ways though of course.

Edited by BlueJay (14 Dec 2020 10.23pm)