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samprior Hamburg 07 Jun 19 5.23pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I certainly think it will form a far larger part of capitalism going forward. I see a future of radically different agricultural, farming and energy creation. I hope so too.
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samprior

Hamburg 07 Jun 19 5.23pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I certainly think it will form a far larger part of capitalism going forward.

I see a future of radically different agricultural, farming and energy creation.

I hope so too.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 07 Jun 19 6.30pm
Originally posted by samprior I hope so too. Capitalism is the best solution to help the environment through innovation and competition. From Elon Musk's electric cars to LED light bulbs and USB drives.
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Penge Eagle

Beckenham 07 Jun 19 6.30pm

Originally posted by samprior

I hope so too.

Capitalism is the best solution to help the environment through innovation and competition. From Elon Musk's electric cars to LED light bulbs and USB drives.

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Invalid user 2019 07 Jun 19 7.50pm
Originally posted by samprior No for sure. I want a mixture as there's good to be found on most sides of the political divide. In my head I hope for a future system based on Green Capitalism... Just need to get my manifesto written up I quite like the sound of that. Right now, Green issues appear to be overly politicised left and right in very contrasting ways. Climate and technological realities exist outside of the framing of the issue though, and they will come to dictate and shape both our thinking and our world going forward.
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07 Jun 19 7.50pm

Originally posted by samprior

No for sure. I want a mixture as there's good to be found on most sides of the political divide. In my head I hope for a future system based on Green Capitalism... Just need to get my manifesto written up

I quite like the sound of that. Right now, Green issues appear to be overly politicised left and right in very contrasting ways. Climate and technological realities exist outside of the framing of the issue though, and they will come to dictate and shape both our thinking and our world going forward.

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dannyboy1978 08 Jun 19 8.04am
Trump knows how to get things done, I think history will be very kind to him unlike May's negotiation skills US & Mexico reach signed agreement, tariffs 'indefinitely suspended' [Link]
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08 Jun 19 8.04am

Trump knows how to get things done, I think history will be very kind to him unlike May's negotiation skills
US & Mexico reach signed agreement, tariffs 'indefinitely suspended' [Link]

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 19 10.39am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yep, so many on the left are never taught the socialism part of national socialism because it doesn't fit with the narrative. Yep, Hitler said the easiest to flip to Fascism were the communists because similar to them they wanted to bring the current order down. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2019 1.49pm) So this old chestnut raises it's head again, as it is by so many Trump supporters seeking to deny the parallels between his approach and that of the Nazis. You might like to read this account of the birth and development of the Nazi Party which comes from an authoritative and unbiased source:- [Link] For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 19 10.39am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, so many on the left are never taught the socialism part of national socialism because it doesn't fit with the narrative.

Yep, Hitler said the easiest to flip to Fascism were the communists because similar to them they wanted to bring the current order down.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2019 1.49pm)

So this old chestnut raises it's head again, as it is by so many Trump supporters seeking to deny the parallels between his approach and that of the Nazis.

You might like to read this account of the birth and development of the Nazi Party which comes from an authoritative and unbiased source:-

[Link]

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 08 Jun 19 10.45am
An even older chestnut. Why is Nazi the go to insult when communism was responsible for 10x as many deaths, lasted far longer and was equally repressive in many cases. Please don’t think I’m trying to defend the one over the other it just seems strange.
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Teddy Eagle

08 Jun 19 10.45am

An even older chestnut. Why is Nazi the go to insult when communism was responsible for 10x as many deaths, lasted far longer and was equally repressive in many cases.
Please don’t think I’m trying to defend the one over the other it just seems strange.

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Stirlingsays 08 Jun 19 10.50am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So this old chestnut raises it's head again, as it is by so many Trump supporters seeking to deny the parallels between his approach and that of the Nazis. You might like to read this account of the birth and development of the Nazi Party which comes from an authoritative and unbiased source:- [Link] Read it. Ok, what part of that proved that the Nazis didn't implement socialism? He doesn't back up the contention that they weren't, he just says they weren't and then goes through a list of irrelevant events. The Nazis implemented socialist policies and that's a fact. No one forced them to implement them. No one is suggesting that they were leftists as they were the polar opposite. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2019 11.03am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

08 Jun 19 10.50am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So this old chestnut raises it's head again, as it is by so many Trump supporters seeking to deny the parallels between his approach and that of the Nazis.

You might like to read this account of the birth and development of the Nazi Party which comes from an authoritative and unbiased source:-

[Link]

Read it.

Ok, what part of that proved that the Nazis didn't implement socialism? He doesn't back up the contention that they weren't, he just says they weren't and then goes through a list of irrelevant events.

The Nazis implemented socialist policies and that's a fact. No one forced them to implement them.

No one is suggesting that they were leftists as they were the polar opposite.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2019 11.03am)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 19 10.59am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Read it. Ok, what part of that proved that the Nazis didn't implement socialism? The Nazis implemented socialist policies and that's a fact. No one forced them to implement them. I sometimes wonder about you! Pretty much all of that article destroys any kind of defence that the Nazis were socialist in anything but name. If ever they "implemented socialist policies" then they did so solely to mislead people and promote an entirely different agenda. You want a part which confirms this? Read the whole article but this piece ought to be enough:- "To that end, he paid lip service to the tenets suggested by a name like National Socialist German Workers’ Party, but his primary—indeed, sole—focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda." For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 19 10.59am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Read it.

Ok, what part of that proved that the Nazis didn't implement socialism?

The Nazis implemented socialist policies and that's a fact. No one forced them to implement them.

I sometimes wonder about you!

Pretty much all of that article destroys any kind of defence that the Nazis were socialist in anything but name. If ever they "implemented socialist policies" then they did so solely to mislead people and promote an entirely different agenda.

You want a part which confirms this? Read the whole article but this piece ought to be enough:-

"To that end, he paid lip service to the tenets suggested by a name like National Socialist German Workers’ Party, but his primary—indeed, sole—focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda."

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 08 Jun 19 11.12am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I sometimes wonder about you! Pretty much all of that article destroys any kind of defence that the Nazis were socialist in anything but name. If ever they "implemented socialist policies" then they did so solely to mislead people and promote an entirely different agenda. You want a part which confirms this? Read the whole article but this piece ought to be enough:- "To that end, he paid lip service to the tenets suggested by a name like National Socialist German Workers’ Party, but his primary—indeed, sole—focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda." In what way did the Nazis pay lip to socialism? They expanded and implemented a national health service for Germans.....implemented better pensions They created and implemented day care for German children. They taxed the wealthy at far higher levels than previous administrations. I would agree however that Hitler's sole focus was on 'achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda'......that last part is an under statement considering they were responsible for the murder of millions of Jews and others they considered inferior. They believed in social darwinism and were violently anti communist. They were authoritarians at their core and while they shared many authoritarian traits with communists.....the largest difference was that they were based upon race while the communists were based upon class. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2019 11.14am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

08 Jun 19 11.12am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I sometimes wonder about you!

You want a part which confirms this? Read the whole article but this piece ought to be enough:-

In what way did the Nazis pay lip to socialism?

They expanded and implemented a national health service for Germans.....implemented better pensions

They created and implemented day care for German children.

They taxed the wealthy at far higher levels than previous administrations.

I would agree however that Hitler's sole focus was on 'achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda'......that last part is an under statement considering they were responsible for the murder of millions of Jews and others they considered inferior.

They believed in social darwinism and were violently anti communist.

They were authoritarians at their core and while they shared many authoritarian traits with communists.....the largest difference was that they were based upon race while the communists were based upon class.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2019 11.14am)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 19 11.29am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays In what way did the Nazis pay lip to socialism? What part of:- " his primary—indeed, sole—focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda." is hard to understand? What ever he did outside of his sole focus was merely lip service. That's what it means. It was simply using a tactical smokescreen. Selling the same snake oil that Trump offers but just with a different aroma and in new packaging. The Nazis weren't socialists. They used socialist tactics for their own purposes. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Jun 2019 11.30am) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 19 11.29am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

In what way did the Nazis pay lip to socialism?

What part of:-

" his primary—indeed, sole—focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda."

is hard to understand?

What ever he did outside of his sole focus was merely lip service. That's what it means. It was simply using a tactical smokescreen. Selling the same snake oil that Trump offers but just with a different aroma and in new packaging.

The Nazis weren't socialists. They used socialist tactics for their own purposes.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Jun 2019 11.30am)

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Teddy Eagle 08 Jun 19 11.33am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays The Nazis weren't socialists. They used socialist tactics for their own purposes. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Jun 2019 11.30am) Unlike Stalin and Mao then?
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Stirlingsays 08 Jun 19 11.36am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What part of:- " his primary—indeed, sole—focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda." is hard to understand? What ever he did outside of his sole focus was merely lip service. That's what it means. It was simply using a tactical smokescreen. Selling the same snake oil that Trump offers but just with a different aroma and in new packaging. The Nazis weren't socialists. They used socialist tactics for their own purposes. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Jun 2019 11.30am) I think your reply is further evidence that you don't read replies. Indeed I made the mistake in replying to someone who can't really participate much beyond their own world view. That's fine....I suppose....But Wisbech stop posting at me. You just don't have the tools and should stay in the mental lane you are capable of.....Similar to how you can't seem to post properly. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2019 11.38am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

08 Jun 19 11.36am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What part of:-

" his primary—indeed, sole—focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda."

is hard to understand?

The Nazis weren't socialists. They used socialist tactics for their own purposes.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Jun 2019 11.30am)

I think your reply is further evidence that you don't read replies.

Indeed I made the mistake in replying to someone who can't really participate much beyond their own world view.

That's fine....I suppose....But Wisbech stop posting at me. You just don't have the tools and should stay in the mental lane you are capable of.....Similar to how you can't seem to post properly.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2019 11.38am)

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