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cryrst The garden of England 27 Jul 24 11.48pm
Originally posted by orpingtoneagle By flexibility I am referring back to the "old days,' where if I needed to start late to take the kids to school or leave early to pick them up it was not an issue. I totally accept that was then. In those days yes the civil service was full of those who played the system. Those days are long gone. Pensions? Yep fair point but as I said I am in the twilight of my career and for a long time paid nothing for a very good pension. Also by nature maybe I am risk averse and had job security and that meant something. These days I would probably seek a different career path. Well I can certainly tell you that not many companies in the private sector would buy all the flexy time but. Also playing the system happens in both environments. The difference is in the private sector once found out your gone but in the public sector the unions have a lot of sway to keep mr useless in his job.
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The garden of England 27 Jul 24 11.48pm

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

By flexibility I am referring back to the "old days,' where if I needed to start late to take the kids to school or leave early to pick them up it was not an issue.

I totally accept that was then. In those days yes the civil service was full of those who played the system. Those days are long gone.

Pensions? Yep fair point but as I said I am in the twilight of my career and for a long time paid nothing for a very good pension.

Also by nature maybe I am risk averse and had job security and that meant something. These days I would probably seek a different career path.

Well I can certainly tell you that not many companies in the private sector would buy all the flexy time but. Also playing the system happens in both environments. The difference is in the private sector once found out your gone but in the public sector the unions have a lot of sway to keep mr useless in his job.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 24 8.17am
Originally posted by Badger11 And yet most major corporations have now rowed back om WFH as productivity has suffered. The American bank I worked for has been quite vocal about it. As for the public service workers if you can do your job 30 miles from the office why can't it be done 3000 miles from the office. Careful for what you wish for. I think we need to differentiate between various types of jobs . There are some jobs which can be done anywhere, but need management and supervision to function. Back offices or call centres being examples. There are others which can be done from home but need occasional group meetings, some remote, others personal. There are others where some functions can be accomplished at home whilst others need to be in the office, or in the field with customers. So if a civil servant living in Surrey whose Ministry is in central London can function most of the time at home, but needs to be in the office a couple of times a month, they can manage it and be efficient in doing so. Not though if they were 3000 miles away. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 24 8.17am

Originally posted by Badger11

And yet most major corporations have now rowed back om WFH as productivity has suffered. The American bank I worked for has been quite vocal about it.

As for the public service workers if you can do your job 30 miles from the office why can't it be done 3000 miles from the office.

Careful for what you wish for.

I think we need to differentiate between various types of jobs . There are some jobs which can be done anywhere, but need management and supervision to function. Back offices or call centres being examples. There are others which can be done from home but need occasional group meetings, some remote, others personal. There are others where some functions can be accomplished at home whilst others need to be in the office, or in the field with customers.

So if a civil servant living in Surrey whose Ministry is in central London can function most of the time at home, but needs to be in the office a couple of times a month, they can manage it and be efficient in doing so. Not though if they were 3000 miles away.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 28 Jul 24 8.54am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I think we need to differentiate between various types of jobs . There are some jobs which can be done anywhere, but need management and supervision to function. Back offices or call centres being examples. There are others which can be done from home but need occasional group meetings, some remote, others personal. There are others where some functions can be accomplished at home whilst others need to be in the office, or in the field with customers. So if a civil servant living in Surrey whose Ministry is in central London can function most of the time at home, but needs to be in the office a couple of times a month, they can manage it and be efficient in doing so. Not though if they were 3000 miles away. Didn’t Croydon Council employ a senior position who lived in Canada? hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Didn’t Croydon Council employ a senior position who lived in Canada?

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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orpingtoneagle Orpington 28 Jul 24 9.09am
Originally posted by cryrst Well I can certainly tell you that not many companies in the private sector would buy all the flexy time but. Also playing the system happens in both environments. The difference is in the private sector once found out your gone but in the public sector the unions have a lot of sway to keep mr useless in his job. Depends on the union...I am a senior union rep as well as everything else (so leftie liberal woke etc.) Some reps are the most corporate people I have met. In my union role I have on too many times to remember supported dismissal for all.sorts of reasons. These days to get the job done we can't carry passengers. (But totally accept that is not always the case especially in some areas.)
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Originally posted by cryrst

Depends on the union...I am a senior union rep as well as everything else (so leftie liberal woke etc.) Some reps are the most corporate people I have met. In my union role I have on too many times to remember supported dismissal for all.sorts of reasons. These days to get the job done we can't carry passengers. (But totally accept that is not always the case especially in some areas.)

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cryrst The garden of England 28 Jul 24 9.16am
Originally posted by orpingtoneagle Depends on the union...I am a senior union rep as well as everything else (so leftie liberal woke etc.) Some reps are the most corporate people I have met. In my union role I have on too many times to remember supported dismissal for all.sorts of reasons. These days to get the job done we can't carry passengers. (But totally accept that is not always the case especially in some areas.) Thanks orpie. I do believe a thread has some middle ground from both sides. I think you are lucky personally with your pension and fair play. You must be on the index linked version. Did this get canned a few years ago as it was too much ?
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The garden of England 28 Jul 24 9.16am

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

Thanks orpie. I do believe a thread has some middle ground from both sides. I think you are lucky personally with your pension and fair play. You must be on the index linked version. Did this get canned a few years ago as it was too much ?

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beak croydon 28 Jul 24 5.26pm
Originally posted by orpingtoneagle Depends on the union...I am a senior union rep as well as everything else (so leftie liberal woke etc.) Some reps are the most corporate people I have met. In my union role I have on too many times to remember supported dismissal for all.sorts of reasons. These days to get the job done we can't carry passengers. (But totally accept that is not always the case especially in some areas.) The employer hires people that are not up to it and then don't like the union putting up a robust defence and rely on the workers to do extra overtime to settle the deficit caused.
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croydon 28 Jul 24 5.26pm

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

The employer hires people that are not up to it and then don't like the union putting up a robust defence and rely on the workers to do extra overtime to settle the deficit caused.

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cryrst The garden of England 29 Jul 24 8.00am
[Link] The tories had to do the very same thing but selective memory loss will be prevalent in some !
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The tories had to do the very same thing but selective memory loss will be prevalent in some !

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HKOwen Hong Kong 29 Jul 24 9.03am
Labour really don't have to care about anything for the next four years, the manifesto will be long forgotten by then Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 29 Jul 24 9.03am

Labour really don't have to care about anything for the next four years, the manifesto will be long forgotten by then

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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orpingtoneagle Orpington 29 Jul 24 9.08am
Originally posted by cryrst [Link] The tories had to do the very same thing but selective memory loss will be prevalent in some ! Agreed, I reckon this will be the state of politics now. It's really easy in opposition to promise the earth. It's even easier for a party that knows realistically it stands zero chance of government to chuck in the moon and stars as well. When we have seen the party of government change in recent times (Conservative to Labour back to conservative and now back to labour it has been pretty clear that there was going to be political change. This has made it all to easy for government to kick the can down the road and leave a mess for others to clear up.
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Orpington 29 Jul 24 9.08am

Originally posted by cryrst

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The tories had to do the very same thing but selective memory loss will be prevalent in some !

Agreed, I reckon this will be the state of politics now. It's really easy in opposition to promise the earth. It's even easier for a party that knows realistically it stands zero chance of government to chuck in the moon and stars as well.

When we have seen the party of government change in recent times (Conservative to Labour back to conservative and now back to labour it has been pretty clear that there was going to be political change.

This has made it all to easy for government to kick the can down the road and leave a mess for others to clear up.

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silvertop Portishead 29 Jul 24 9.41am
Originally posted by cryrst Well I can certainly tell you that not many companies in the private sector would buy all the flexy time but. Also playing the system happens in both environments. The difference is in the private sector once found out your gone but in the public sector the unions have a lot of sway to keep mr useless in his job. Not as much as you think. And most of the old guard for whom that work culture was institutionalized were pensioned off at the austerity hurdle. The new public sector is more private sector ruthlessness with public sector pay.
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Portishead 29 Jul 24 9.41am

Originally posted by cryrst

Not as much as you think. And most of the old guard for whom that work culture was institutionalized were pensioned off at the austerity hurdle.

The new public sector is more private sector ruthlessness with public sector pay.

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The Dolphin 29 Jul 24 11.52am
Originally posted by orpingtoneagle Why is it ok for say someone who works in the private sector to work at home and not a civil servant? I am a civil servant and work from home 2 days a week. On office days I probably work an 8 hour day. At home more likely to be 9. I don't know anyone it any of the teams I work in who spends all day shopping or down the pub. There is zero evidence that home working is less productive and as the last government shut all the offices, if we all went in there would not be enough room for everyone to actually work. Just because certain political figures like to pedal the myth all civil servants are lazy sods does not make it true. Like any job there are good and bad. I took a day off last week to go to The Oval. It was full of folks out on corporate jollys getting bevvied in the sun. Probably on expenses. They were all probably 'at work.' Sorry for the late response and no personal insult intended. I believe that if you work in the Public Sector that you should work in your office or other place of work, unless there are very good reasons not to. Not all Civil Servants or Public Sector workers are lazy sods but many are and I have the misfortune to have to deal with some of them, so my views are probably tarnished. Not being at their place of work, uncontactable except by email but because you can't call them, you often don't get an email response for days. Generally - Public Sector life is easier than the private sector with a nice pension, more holidays than most and pay almost on a par now as well. Forgive me if you don't agree but that is how I see it. There are exceptions to every rule but I personally do not see the point in the proposed inflation busting pay rises, allowing WFH to be more commonplace and increasing the numbers of public sector workers, when, with efficiencies numbers could be reduced.
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29 Jul 24 11.52am

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

Why is it ok for say someone who works in the private sector to work at home and not a civil servant? I am a civil servant and work from home 2 days a week. On office days I probably work an 8 hour day. At home more likely to be 9. I don't know anyone it any of the teams I work in who spends all day shopping or down the pub.
There is zero evidence that home working is less productive and as the last government shut all the offices, if we all went in there would not be enough room for everyone to actually work.

Just because certain political figures like to pedal the myth all civil servants are lazy sods does not make it true. Like any job there are good and bad.

I took a day off last week to go to The Oval. It was full of folks out on corporate jollys getting bevvied in the sun. Probably on expenses. They were all probably 'at work.'

Sorry for the late response and no personal insult intended.
I believe that if you work in the Public Sector that you should work in your office or other place of work, unless there are very good reasons not to.
Not all Civil Servants or Public Sector workers are lazy sods but many are and I have the misfortune to have to deal with some of them, so my views are probably tarnished.
Not being at their place of work, uncontactable except by email but because you can't call them, you often don't get an email response for days.
Generally - Public Sector life is easier than the private sector with a nice pension, more holidays than most and pay almost on a par now as well.
Forgive me if you don't agree but that is how I see it.
There are exceptions to every rule but I personally do not see the point in the proposed inflation busting pay rises, allowing WFH to be more commonplace and increasing the numbers of public sector workers, when, with efficiencies numbers could be reduced.

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The Dolphin 29 Jul 24 11.54am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I think we need to differentiate between various types of jobs . There are some jobs which can be done anywhere, but need management and supervision to function. Back offices or call centres being examples. There are others which can be done from home but need occasional group meetings, some remote, others personal. There are others where some functions can be accomplished at home whilst others need to be in the office, or in the field with customers. So if a civil servant living in Surrey whose Ministry is in central London can function most of the time at home, but needs to be in the office a couple of times a month, they can manage it and be efficient in doing so. Not though if they were 3000 miles away. The best way to work is with other people around you. People to bounce ideas off, people being in the same building where you can go and talk to them face to face. We are social animals as much as anything and interaction is good for the soul.
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29 Jul 24 11.54am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The best way to work is with other people around you.
People to bounce ideas off, people being in the same building where you can go and talk to them face to face.
We are social animals as much as anything and interaction is good for the soul.

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