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 EverybodyDannsNow  SE19 17 Oct 23 4.09pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Israel have not committed any atrocities, Hamas have committed many. As I said, what do facts matter.
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| silvertop Portishead 17 Oct 23 4.19pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Israel have not committed any atrocities, Hamas have committed many. Firing rockets without warning into full apartment blocks in the hope of killing a few Hamas leaders may fall into that category. It is not the beheading of infants or rape of underage girls; but just because it involves somebody pressing a button remotely from distance does not make it any less an atrocity. And those were images recorded by the IDF and presented to the world as acts of proportionate retaliation.
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 georgenorman 17 Oct 23 4.29pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Firing rockets without warning into full apartment blocks in the hope of killing a few Hamas leaders may fall into that category. It is not the beheading of infants or rape of underage girls; but just because it involves somebody pressing a button remotely from distance does not make it any less an atrocity. And those were images recorded by the IDF and presented to the world as acts of proportionate retaliation. Israel is targeting Hamas. Hamas deliberately put civilians at risk. It is practically impossible to wage war without endangering civilians. Would you prefer Israel to retaliate 'proportionally', ie: behead some infants and rape some women and girls?
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 17 Oct 23 4.39pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Israel is targeting Hamas. Hamas deliberately put civilians at risk. It is practically impossible to wage war without endangering civilians. Would you prefer Israel to retaliate 'proportionally', ie: behead some infants and rape some women and girls? They’re targeting Hamas by bombing schools and hospitals and cutting off utility supplies? It’s not even believable propaganda. They’ve admitted they are punishing the people of Gaza to encourage a Hamas surrender - that is the definition of collective punishment and violates international law, as do many other things they’re doing. You have been told that information about the infants is incorrect and yet continue to use it - why?
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 17 Oct 23 4.48pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
They’re targeting Hamas by bombing schools and hospitals and cutting off utility supplies? It’s not even believable propaganda. They’ve admitted they are punishing the people of Gaza to encourage a Hamas surrender - that is the definition of collective punishment and violates international law, as do many other things they’re doing. You have been told that information about the infants is incorrect and yet continue to use it - why? As a serious question, if you were the Israeli government what would you do about the invasion and associated actions of Hamas last weekend?
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 17 Oct 23 4.53pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
As a serious question, if you were the Israeli government what would you do about the invasion and associated actions of Hamas last weekend? There’s obviously no easy answer, but I’m certain my answer wouldn’t be genocide and war crimes. There are plenty of levels of escalation before you get to that.
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| georgenorman 17 Oct 23 5.00pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
They’re targeting Hamas by bombing schools and hospitals and cutting off utility supplies? It’s not even believable propaganda. They’ve admitted they are punishing the people of Gaza to encourage a Hamas surrender - that is the definition of collective punishment and violates international law, as do many other things they’re doing. You have been told that information about the infants is incorrect and yet continue to use it - why? Israel have not deliberately bombed any schools or hospitals. Who says that the deliberate killing of infants by Islamic terrorist savages is 'incorrect'? Do you think Britain was committing atrocities when we bombed Germany during World War II. It is a war, many innocent people get killed in wars. The question is who do you want to win? I want Israel to win, you want a bunch of Islamic terrorists to. Edited by georgenorman (17 Oct 2023 5.01pm)
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 17 Oct 23 5.07pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
There’s obviously no easy answer, but I’m certain my answer wouldn’t be genocide and war crimes. There are plenty of levels of escalation before you get to that. And there is the problem…we can object to what Israel are doing but we have no solution of our own. Perhaps if Hamas had targeted military and associated assets, then maybe there would be more sympathy for their actions. But they didn’t, unless you call the 260 deaths at a concert and kidnapping of civilians acceptable, then you cannot criticise Israel for bending accordingly from what is conventional. If Hamas had attacked only military targets then I would agree that the current Israeli response is disproportionate and I may have attended a rally against it myself. But we are where we are and just have to hope that it is concluded quickly with a minimum of deaths.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 17 Oct 23 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Israel have not deliberately bombed any schools or hospitals. Who says that the deliberate killing of infants by Islamic terrorist savages is 'incorrect'? Do you think Britain was committing atrocities when we bombed Germany during World War II. It is a war, many innocent people get killed in wars. The question is who do you want to win? I want Israel to win, you want a bunch of Islamic terrorists to. Edited by georgenorman (17 Oct 2023 5.01pm) Although I don’t agree with it, wanting someone to ‘win’ is one thing - why do you have to lie and parrot propaganda as a result? There is ample evidence of Israel bombing schools and hospitals, and ample reports that the beheaded babies story was invented by Israeli sources - you chose to deny the thing with ample evidence and amplify the thing with none. It clearly makes you feel better about yourself to keep throwing these emotive accusations at people but it’s very transparent. There are no winners in this, just an enormous waste of life.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 17 Oct 23 5.15pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
And there is the problem…we can object to what Israel are doing but we have no solution of our own. Perhaps if Hamas had targeted military and associated assets, then maybe there would be more sympathy for their actions. But they didn’t, unless you call the 260 deaths at a concert and kidnapping of civilians acceptable, then you cannot criticise Israel for bending accordingly from what is conventional. If Hamas had attacked only military targets then I would agree that the current Israeli response is disproportionate and I may have attended a rally against it myself. But we are where we are and just have to hope that it is concluded quickly with a minimum of deaths. Of course Hamas’ actions were deplorable but that does not give Israel carte blance to genocide. There are now reports of 2000+ dead in Gaza, roughly half of which are women and children - at which point would you be comfortable to say enough is enough and that we have reached something disproportionate? 3000 dead? 5000?
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| georgenorman 17 Oct 23 5.44pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Although I don’t agree with it, wanting someone to ‘win’ is one thing - why do you have to lie and parrot propaganda as a result? There is ample evidence of Israel bombing schools and hospitals, and ample reports that the beheaded babies story was invented by Israeli sources - you chose to deny the thing with ample evidence and amplify the thing with none. It clearly makes you feel better about yourself to keep throwing these emotive accusations at people but it’s very transparent. There are no winners in this, just an enormous waste of life. Ample evidence!
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| georgenorman 17 Oct 23 5.48pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Of course Hamas’ actions were deplorable but that does not give Israel carte blance to genocide. There are now reports of 2000+ dead in Gaza, roughly half of which are women and children - at which point would you be comfortable to say enough is enough and that we have reached something disproportionate? 3000 dead? 5000? If Hamas had not attacked Israel, none of this would be happening. Israel will carrying on until they have destroyed Hamas, just like Trump did with ISIS.
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