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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Mar 23 10.33pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Why would you assume that it would be objective? It is remarkable how you can suddenly display such naivety on this and yet targeted cynicism on another occasion when it suits. The enquiry is likely to be a whitewash. I say that as someone who supported much of what the government did in the early stages of the pandemic, and would rather see a Tory government overseeing such a crisis than Labour any time. It is ironic that people like yourself who were happy to see the back of Boris Johnson and side with the Remain wing of the Tories now want to defend government policy. It was your kind who have helped Labour to a massive lead in the polls and the prospect of this country going to the dogs even faster than it is now. Now you want to defend what you previously wanted to destroy, simply because it allows you to oppose what you see as right wing conspiracy. Of course, it will be objective. People like the Rt Hon Baroness Heather Carol Hallett DBE would not tolerate anything less. She has an impeccable record as a very senior Judge. They don't do whitewashes! [Link] As I anticipate that much of the work will be in public you should be able to scrutinise, and probably criticise, the objectivity. I am not defending government policy, because it was government policy. I defend what I believe was right. I think Johnson is a two faced chancer, who was always unfit to be PM. That doesn't mean that everything that was done whilst he was PM was wrong. I have absolutely no wish to see a Labour government. What I want to see is a good government. One we can believe in. I would like to see the Tories return to be the party I always supported, even through the Thatcher years, but who abandoned people like me when Johnson became PM. I cannot see that happening and now hope they split. I want to see more parties forming coalitions in the open, and not large parties forming coalitions in secret. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 05 Mar 23 10.33pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Why would you assume that it would be objective?

It is remarkable how you can suddenly display such naivety on this and yet targeted cynicism on another occasion when it suits.

The enquiry is likely to be a whitewash. I say that as someone who supported much of what the government did in the early stages of the pandemic, and would rather see a Tory government overseeing such a crisis than Labour any time.

It is ironic that people like yourself who were happy to see the back of Boris Johnson and side with the Remain wing of the Tories now want to defend government policy.

It was your kind who have helped Labour to a massive lead in the polls and the prospect of this country going to the dogs even faster than it is now.
Now you want to defend what you previously wanted to destroy, simply because it allows you to oppose what you see as right wing conspiracy.

Of course, it will be objective. People like the Rt Hon Baroness Heather Carol Hallett DBE would not tolerate anything less. She has an impeccable record as a very senior Judge. They don't do whitewashes!

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As I anticipate that much of the work will be in public you should be able to scrutinise, and probably criticise, the objectivity.

I am not defending government policy, because it was government policy. I defend what I believe was right. I think Johnson is a two faced chancer, who was always unfit to be PM. That doesn't mean that everything that was done whilst he was PM was wrong.

I have absolutely no wish to see a Labour government. What I want to see is a good government. One we can believe in. I would like to see the Tories return to be the party I always supported, even through the Thatcher years, but who abandoned people like me when Johnson became PM. I cannot see that happening and now hope they split. I want to see more parties forming coalitions in the open, and not large parties forming coalitions in secret.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 05 Mar 23 10.46pm
Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 How true. I still see people wearing surgical style masks, and avoiding others not wearing them, even though they have no benefit whatsoever. They still believe the lie. I said right from the beginning that they were of no use in a viral situation. I even questioned the use of ffp2/n95 mask efficiency for a virus too, but was shouted down by the lockdown advocates. There are reports out now, but as usual, there will be silence from the COVID restrictions aggressors. Cochrane report [Link] Edit: I found an advocate of mask wearing admitting he was wrong on YT [Link] Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (05 Mar 2023 9.26pm) Yep, I think a lot of boomers and some Gen Xers in the west fear dying much more than previous generations. I mean it's hardly a popular activity but previous generations had more of an acceptance of its inevitability. I think the rise in the effectiveness of modern medicine and the commonality of lots of people living relatively well to a grand old age has created a kind of unreality with mortality. Add to that the feminisation of society in general and the almost disappearance of stoicism and stiff upper lip culture and you have a cocktail that was just waiting to spill over when something like a virus turned up. Society's reaction to covid over these last two years could be compared to bad break outs of new viruses of the past....68 for example. It's night and day. The country that produced the kind of people who died with honour on the Titanic had degenerated in a little over a century later into scared and embarrassing parody. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Mar 2023 10.53pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Mar 23 10.46pm

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

How true. I still see people wearing surgical style masks, and avoiding others not wearing them, even though they have no benefit whatsoever. They still believe the lie. I said right from the beginning that they were of no use in a viral situation. I even questioned the use of ffp2/n95 mask efficiency for a virus too, but was shouted down by the lockdown advocates. There are reports out now, but as usual, there will be silence from the COVID restrictions aggressors.

Cochrane report [Link]

Edit: I found an advocate of mask wearing admitting he was wrong on YT [Link]

Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (05 Mar 2023 9.26pm)

Yep, I think a lot of boomers and some Gen Xers in the west fear dying much more than previous generations. I mean it's hardly a popular activity but previous generations had more of an acceptance of its inevitability.

I think the rise in the effectiveness of modern medicine and the commonality of lots of people living relatively well to a grand old age has created a kind of unreality with mortality.

Add to that the feminisation of society in general and the almost disappearance of stoicism and stiff upper lip culture and you have a cocktail that was just waiting to spill over when something like a virus turned up.

Society's reaction to covid over these last two years could be compared to bad break outs of new viruses of the past....68 for example.

It's night and day.

The country that produced the kind of people who died with honour on the Titanic had degenerated in a little over a century later into scared and embarrassing parody.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Mar 23 10.48pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Dealt with? Not much consolation to all the shops and small businesses which have closed. Teachers don't seem so sanguine about the current and future effects on school children. Stresses always find the weakest points first. Of course, it's unfortunate, but a great deal of support was given, and I suspect many of those that closed were going to fail anyway. This just hastened it. The long term impact on schooling could be significant, and not all of it negative. My two youngest grandchildren are doing OK, having done a lot of online learning. I don't dismiss the impact on some, but again, people can catch up remarkably. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 05 Mar 23 10.48pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Dealt with? Not much consolation to all the shops and small businesses which have closed. Teachers don't seem so sanguine about the current and future effects on school children.

Stresses always find the weakest points first. Of course, it's unfortunate, but a great deal of support was given, and I suspect many of those that closed were going to fail anyway. This just hastened it.

The long term impact on schooling could be significant, and not all of it negative. My two youngest grandchildren are doing OK, having done a lot of online learning. I don't dismiss the impact on some, but again, people can catch up remarkably.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Mar 23 11.20pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Well, he has had his career severely damaged, like J.K. Rowing and Laurence Fox, for daring to gainsay the authoritarian, witch-hunting, woke establishment, whose views you of course continually champion. [Link] Let's hope so. We would all be much better off if such views remained as unacceptable as they deserve to be. So long as they are just on videos, which can be ignored, and only viewed by the like-minded, little harm is done. I just love the way that people who think the way you do believe that the kind of ridiculous insults you use to describe the "establishment" impresses anyone outside the group you are part of. It's just each of you confirming your biases. By the way I believe it's much better to be awake, and aware of the need for change to address long-standing unfairness and prejudices, than asleep and unaware, or just ignorant and uncaring. I am proud that our shared humanity today means we are no longer thinking in the small-minded, selfish way which we used to. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 05 Mar 23 11.20pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Well, he has had his career severely damaged, like J.K. Rowing and Laurence Fox, for daring to gainsay the authoritarian, witch-hunting, woke establishment, whose views you of course continually champion.

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Let's hope so. We would all be much better off if such views remained as unacceptable as they deserve to be. So long as they are just on videos, which can be ignored, and only viewed by the like-minded, little harm is done.

I just love the way that people who think the way you do believe that the kind of ridiculous insults you use to describe the "establishment" impresses anyone outside the group you are part of. It's just each of you confirming your biases.

By the way I believe it's much better to be awake, and aware of the need for change to address long-standing unfairness and prejudices, than asleep and unaware, or just ignorant and uncaring. I am proud that our shared humanity today means we are no longer thinking in the small-minded, selfish way which we used to.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Bobby216 05 Mar 23 11.38pm
The argument about legitimacy doesn't hold water due to the uncovering of these messages being in the public interest. It clearly is in the public interest for the reasons stated previously. As for not knowing what would happen if we hadn't continued our lockdown both in 2020 and at various times during 2021 and nearly locking down for Xmas 2021 / 2022, yes we do. You only need to look at the differing response in Sweden, Florida and to a lesser extent Japan to see an alternative response to the same "threat" in comparable Western countries that was far more proportionate. The difference was that in these districts / countries they had strong leaders that were willing to go against the tide instead of being caught up in the panic and hysteria as we were here. Although some benefit of the doubt can be given in the initial months of the pandemic due to understandably not knowing how deadly the virus was or how it behaved, it was clear by May and June 2020 the virus was nowhere near as deadly as the government and media were making out. Anyone with the inclination could have gone on to the office for national statistics and looked for themselves. The problem was no one was bothering to look. Unfortunately it will take decades for a proper reflection and fair analysis of what has happened. It is likely the enquiry won't take into the account the affect of lockdowns and an intense focus of the virus above all else on peoples lives. This includes but is in no way limited to the tens of thousands of people missing cancer diagnoses. Indeed my neighbour had his chemo stopped in April 2020 to make space for covid patients whilst everyone was clapping and banging their saucepans. He died in early 2021 of cancer. I also heard of the blanket DNR's (Do not resuscitates) placed on vulnerable individuals. Considered less important than Covid patients. We lost a sense of our humanity in a quag mire of fear perpetuated by government policy that has now been highlighted by these WhatsApp revelations. That would only be true if she had uncovered these documents legitimately but even then the newspaper would be still be guilty of titillation by publishing selected extracts out of context. She was given them in confidence, and even signed a non-disclosure agreement. That is disgusting behaviour, whatever the extracts are. I find nothing in them which is particularly surprising. It was a chaotic time, with decisions being taken under great pressure. That some stupid exchanges took place is only to be expected, especially given who was in charge. Short, sharp lockdowns were the preferred answer in most major countries, supported by advice from both the WHO and our own experts. How they were delivered was the job of the politicians. That some disagreed then, and still do now, doesn't mean it was wrong. It just means some disagreed. There are always some who disagree with every policy. It's also true that whilst we all know how difficult the lockdowns were and how economically costly, we don't know what would have happened had we not had them. What we have are a bunch of know-it-alls who think they know. The same group who always know better about everything. We need to wait for the enquiry for a truly objective assessment.
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05 Mar 23 11.38pm

The argument about legitimacy doesn't hold water due to the uncovering of these messages being in the public interest. It clearly is in the public interest for the reasons stated previously. As for not knowing what would happen if we hadn't continued our lockdown both in 2020 and at various times during 2021 and nearly locking down for Xmas 2021 / 2022, yes we do. You only need to look at the differing response in Sweden, Florida and to a lesser extent Japan to see an alternative response to the same "threat" in comparable Western countries that was far more proportionate. The difference was that in these districts / countries they had strong leaders that were willing to go against the tide instead of being caught up in the panic and hysteria as we were here. Although some benefit of the doubt can be given in the initial months of the pandemic due to understandably not knowing how deadly the virus was or how it behaved, it was clear by May and June 2020 the virus was nowhere near as deadly as the government and media were making out. Anyone with the inclination could have gone on to the office for national statistics and looked for themselves. The problem was no one was bothering to look.

Unfortunately it will take decades for a proper reflection and fair analysis of what has happened. It is likely the enquiry won't take into the account the affect of lockdowns and an intense focus of the virus above all else on peoples lives. This includes but is in no way limited to the tens of thousands of people missing cancer diagnoses. Indeed my neighbour had his chemo stopped in April 2020 to make space for covid patients whilst everyone was clapping and banging their saucepans. He died in early 2021 of cancer. I also heard of the blanket DNR's (Do not resuscitates) placed on vulnerable individuals. Considered less important than Covid patients. We lost a sense of our humanity in a quag mire of fear perpetuated by government policy that has now been highlighted by these WhatsApp revelations.

That would only be true if she had uncovered these documents legitimately but even then the newspaper would be still be guilty of titillation by publishing selected extracts out of context.

She was given them in confidence, and even signed a non-disclosure agreement. That is disgusting behaviour, whatever the extracts are. I find nothing in them which is particularly surprising. It was a chaotic time, with decisions being taken under great pressure. That some stupid exchanges took place is only to be expected, especially given who was in charge.

Short, sharp lockdowns were the preferred answer in most major countries, supported by advice from both the WHO and our own experts. How they were delivered was the job of the politicians.

That some disagreed then, and still do now, doesn't mean it was wrong. It just means some disagreed. There are always some who disagree with every policy. It's also true that whilst we all know how difficult the lockdowns were and how economically costly, we don't know what would have happened had we not had them. What we have are a bunch of know-it-alls who think they know. The same group who always know better about everything.

We need to wait for the enquiry for a truly objective assessment.

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Bobby216 05 Mar 23 11.40pm
The argument about legitimacy doesn't hold water due to the uncovering of these messages being in the public interest. It clearly is in the public interest for the reasons stated previously. As for not knowing what would happen if we hadn't continued our lockdown both in 2020 and at various times during 2021 and nearly locking down for Xmas 2021 / 2022, yes we do. You only need to look at the differing response in Sweden, Florida and to a lesser extent Japan to see an alternative response to the same "threat" in comparable Western countries that was far more proportionate. The difference was that in these districts / countries they had strong leaders that were willing to go against the tide instead of being caught up in the panic and hysteria as we were here. Although some benefit of the doubt can be given in the initial months of the pandemic due to understandably not knowing how deadly the virus was or how it behaved, it was clear by May and June 2020 the virus was nowhere near as deadly as the government and media were making out. Anyone with the inclination could have gone on to the office for national statistics and looked for themselves. The problem was no one was bothering to look. Unfortunately it will take decades for a proper reflection and fair analysis of what has happened. It is likely the enquiry won't take into the account the affect of lockdowns and an intense focus of the virus above all else on peoples lives. This includes but is in no way limited to the tens of thousands of people missing cancer diagnoses. Indeed my neighbour had his chemo stopped in April 2020 to make space for covid patients whilst everyone was clapping and banging their saucepans. He died in early 2021 of cancer. I also heard of the blanket DNR's (Do not resuscitates) placed on vulnerable individuals. Considered less important than Covid patients. We lost a sense of our humanity in a quag mire of fear perpetuated by government policy that has now been highlighted by these WhatsApp revelations. Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That would only be true if she had uncovered these documents legitimately but even then the newspaper would be still be guilty of titillation by publishing selected extracts out of context. She was given them in confidence, and even signed a non-disclosure agreement. That is disgusting behaviour, whatever the extracts are. I find nothing in them which is particularly surprising. It was a chaotic time, with decisions being taken under great pressure. That some stupid exchanges took place is only to be expected, especially given who was in charge. Short, sharp lockdowns were the preferred answer in most major countries, supported by advice from both the WHO and our own experts. How they were delivered was the job of the politicians. That some disagreed then, and still do now, doesn't mean it was wrong. It just means some disagreed. There are always some who disagree with every policy. It's also true that whilst we all know how difficult the lockdowns were and how economically costly, we don't know what would have happened had we not had them. What we have are a bunch of know-it-alls who think they know. The same group who always know better about everything. We need to wait for the enquiry for a truly objective assessment.
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05 Mar 23 11.40pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That would only be true if she had uncovered these documents legitimately but even then the newspaper would be still be guilty of titillation by publishing selected extracts out of context.

Short, sharp lockdowns were the preferred answer in most major countries, supported by advice from both the WHO and our own experts. How they were delivered was the job of the politicians.

We need to wait for the enquiry for a truly objective assessment.

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 06 Mar 23 12.24am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yep, I think a lot of boomers and some Gen Xers in the west fear dying much more than previous generations. I mean it's hardly a popular activity but previous generations had more of an acceptance of its inevitability. I think the rise in the effectiveness of modern medicine and the commonality of lots of people living relatively well to a grand old age has created a kind of unreality with mortality. Add to that the feminisation of society in general and the almost disappearance of stoicism and stiff upper lip culture and you have a cocktail that was just waiting to spill over when something like a virus turned up. Society's reaction to covid over these last two years could be compared to bad break outs of new viruses of the past....68 for example. It's night and day. The country that produced the kind of people who died with honour on the Titanic had degenerated in a little over a century later into scared and embarrassing parody. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Mar 2023 10.53pm) I believe that the discovery of medicine has created this as an unintended consequence. Gender realignment is deemed acceptable, even though the person cannot actually become another gender and naturally reproduce. We now keep people alive even if they wish to die. People have needless cosmetic surgery, organ transplants, joint replacements, corneal implants.... but we struggle to feed the world. And all the scientists had to do was to scare them into it, which got a huge nudge in 2020. Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think the rise in the effectiveness of modern medicine and the commonality of lots of people living relatively well to a grand old age has created a kind of unreality with mortality.

Add to that the feminisation of society in general and the almost disappearance of stoicism and stiff upper lip culture and you have a cocktail that was just waiting to spill over when something like a virus turned up.

Society's reaction to covid over these last two years could be compared to bad break outs of new viruses of the past....68 for example.

It's night and day.

The country that produced the kind of people who died with honour on the Titanic had degenerated in a little over a century later into scared and embarrassing parody.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Mar 2023 10.53pm)

I believe that the discovery of medicine has created this as an unintended consequence. Gender realignment is deemed acceptable, even though the person cannot actually become another gender and naturally reproduce. We now keep people alive even if they wish to die. People have needless cosmetic surgery, organ transplants, joint replacements, corneal implants.... but we struggle to feed the world.

And all the scientists had to do was to scare them into it, which got a huge nudge in 2020.

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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 I believe that the discovery of medicine has created this as an unintended consequence. Gender realignment is deemed acceptable, even though the person cannot actually become another gender and naturally reproduce. We now keep people alive even if they wish to die. People have needless cosmetic surgery, organ transplants, joint replacements, corneal implants.... but we struggle to feed the world. And all the scientists had to do was to scare them into it, which got a huge nudge in 2020. Yep, modern medicine and the delusions of transhumanism by those who think their biology is negotiable.....When you look behind its mask it has worryingly high levels of funding. In my view there is certainly an illusion of kindness in emboldening and in effect mainstreaming, what is in reality mental illness, and we are already seeing significant societal problems with mental health. It's going to be difficult filling the jobs in our mental health institutions because it's going to be fruitcake city.....which isn't good as seemingly some (or at least the management) of those working in those institutions are fruit and nut themselves. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Mar 2023 1.00am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Mar 23 12.58am

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

And all the scientists had to do was to scare them into it, which got a huge nudge in 2020.

Yep, modern medicine and the delusions of transhumanism by those who think their biology is negotiable.....When you look behind its mask it has worryingly high levels of funding.

In my view there is certainly an illusion of kindness in emboldening and in effect mainstreaming, what is in reality mental illness, and we are already seeing significant societal problems with mental health.

It's going to be difficult filling the jobs in our mental health institutions because it's going to be fruitcake city.....which isn't good as seemingly some (or at least the management) of those working in those institutions are fruit and nut themselves.

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 06 Mar 23 1.06am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yep, modern medicine and the delusions of transhumanism by those who think their biology is negotiable.....When you look behind its mask it has worryingly high levels of funding. In my view there is certainly an illusion of kindness in emboldening and in effect mainstreaming, what is in reality mental illness, and we are already seeing significant societal problems with mental health. It's going to be difficult filling the jobs in our mental health institutions because it's going to be fruitcake city.....which isn't good as seemingly some (or at least the management) of those working in those institutions are fruit and nut themselves. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Mar 2023 1.00am) Scary times to come I'm afraid. This current trend of victimhood should hopefully pass in a generation. Or two at the most. Fingers crossed... Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers
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Stoke sub normal 06 Mar 23 1.06am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, modern medicine and the delusions of transhumanism by those who think their biology is negotiable.....When you look behind its mask it has worryingly high levels of funding.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Mar 2023 1.00am)

Scary times to come I'm afraid. This current trend of victimhood should hopefully pass in a generation. Or two at the most. Fingers crossed...

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Stirlingsays 06 Mar 23 1.24am
Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Scary times to come I'm afraid. This current trend of victimhood should hopefully pass in a generation. Or two at the most. Fingers crossed... Indeed mate. Turbulent times. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Scary times to come I'm afraid. This current trend of victimhood should hopefully pass in a generation. Or two at the most. Fingers crossed...

Indeed mate.

Turbulent times.

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Eden Eagle Kent 06 Mar 23 6.51am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Stresses always find the weakest points first. Of course, it's unfortunate, but a great deal of support was given, and I suspect many of those that closed were going to fail anyway. This just hastened it. The long term impact on schooling could be significant, and not all of it negative. My two youngest grandchildren are doing OK, having done a lot of online learning. I don't dismiss the impact on some, but again, people can catch up remarkably. More “tone deaf” commentary from you WE - supporting the crushing lockdowns whilst drawing your pension and income from your buy to let property portfolio whilst others lost everything. My daughter is a teacher and the impact from nearly 2 years of lost face to face lessons is still being felt today. You also supported mask wearing for children in schools despite the serious impact this had on the education of tens of thousands of children with hearing difficulties who rely on lip reading. That you still support your fanatical lockdown views now when there is so much evidence to counter the effectiveness of this “policy” is staggering but not surprising. Even during the CV times it was proven in the US where some states adopted stringent lockdowns and others no lockdowns that lockdowns did not work.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

More “tone deaf” commentary from you WE - supporting the crushing lockdowns whilst drawing your pension and income from your buy to let property portfolio whilst others lost everything.

My daughter is a teacher and the impact from nearly 2 years of lost face to face lessons is still being felt today. You also supported mask wearing for children in schools despite the serious impact this had on the education of tens of thousands of children with hearing difficulties who rely on lip reading.

That you still support your fanatical lockdown views now when there is so much evidence to counter the effectiveness of this “policy” is staggering but not surprising.

Even during the CV times it was proven in the US where some states adopted stringent lockdowns and others no lockdowns that lockdowns did not work.

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berlinpalace berlin 06 Mar 23 7.40am
Everyone banging on about how well Sweden coped might like to read the Swedish review of their Covid response. If they could do it again they’d do it differently and stricter. Worth noting that by the time of the second wave the ‘freedom loving Swedes’ were enacting new Pandemic laws. [Link]
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berlin 06 Mar 23 7.40am

Everyone banging on about how well Sweden coped might like to read the Swedish review of their Covid response. If they could do it again they’d do it differently and stricter. Worth noting that by the time of the second wave the ‘freedom loving Swedes’ were enacting new Pandemic laws.

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