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YT Oxford 19 Sep 23 4.59pm
Originally posted by the silurian well, Im flying to NY, to meet up with a cruise liner for a long awaited holiday, so loads of carbon emissions, do I care? not in the slightest,if its ok for MPs and celebs to fly then its ok for me I don't know if there's a phrase to cover it, but this comment is the opposite of virtue signalling. It's also meaningless, because if all MPs and celebs stopped flying tomorrow, you would still go on your holidays, and why shouldn't you? Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 19 Sep 23 4.59pm

Originally posted by the silurian

well, Im flying to NY, to meet up with a cruise liner for a long awaited holiday, so loads of carbon emissions, do I care? not in the slightest,if its ok for MPs and celebs to fly then its ok for me

I don't know if there's a phrase to cover it, but this comment is the opposite of virtue signalling. It's also meaningless, because if all MPs and celebs stopped flying tomorrow, you would still go on your holidays, and why shouldn't you?

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Badger11 Beckenham 19 Sep 23 5.12pm
Originally posted by YT I don't know if there's a phrase to cover it, but this comment is the opposite of virtue signalling. It's also meaningless, because if all MPs and celebs stopped flying tomorrow, you would still go on your holidays, and why shouldn't you? Yup. I think the point is that politicians need to come up with practical solutions that the public can live with. Because they don't I and others will call them out for their hypocrisy. They want us to wear a hair shirt and yet they are not prepared to do the same. Why the hell is Khan in NY anyway. Since he became Mayor he has traveled thousands of miles with his entourage all under the pretense he is representing London. The SNP leader is just copying his predecessor who would jump at any chance for a seat at the big table and her mug on the TV. Apparently these 2 have never heard of Zoom. Edited by Badger11 (19 Sep 2023 5.13pm) One more point
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Beckenham 19 Sep 23 5.12pm

Originally posted by YT

I don't know if there's a phrase to cover it, but this comment is the opposite of virtue signalling. It's also meaningless, because if all MPs and celebs stopped flying tomorrow, you would still go on your holidays, and why shouldn't you?

Yup.

I think the point is that politicians need to come up with practical solutions that the public can live with. Because they don't I and others will call them out for their hypocrisy.

They want us to wear a hair shirt and yet they are not prepared to do the same. Why the hell is Khan in NY anyway. Since he became Mayor he has traveled thousands of miles with his entourage all under the pretense he is representing London. The SNP leader is just copying his predecessor who would jump at any chance for a seat at the big table and her mug on the TV.

Apparently these 2 have never heard of Zoom.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Sep 23 10.22pm
Originally posted by YT I don't know if there's a phrase to cover it, but this comment is the opposite of virtue signalling. It's also meaningless, because if all MPs and celebs stopped flying tomorrow, you would still go on your holidays, and why shouldn't you? This raises a good question, the opposite of virtue signalling might be vice signalling but that doesn't fit the context. A phrase is needed that encompasses a lack of desire to flaunt one's self centred sense of goodness that other lesser people don't have Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 19 Sep 23 10.22pm

Originally posted by YT

This raises a good question, the opposite of virtue signalling might be vice signalling but that doesn't fit the context.

A phrase is needed that encompasses a lack of desire to flaunt one's self centred sense of goodness that other lesser people don't have

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 19 Sep 23 11.02pm
Originally posted by HKOwen This raises a good question, the opposite of virtue signalling might be vice signalling but that doesn't fit the context. A phrase is needed that encompasses a lack of desire to flaunt one's self centred sense of goodness that other lesser people don't have The phrase is 'humble modesty'. Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers
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Originally posted by HKOwen

This raises a good question, the opposite of virtue signalling might be vice signalling but that doesn't fit the context.

A phrase is needed that encompasses a lack of desire to flaunt one's self centred sense of goodness that other lesser people don't have

The phrase is 'humble modesty'.

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cryrst The garden of England 20 Sep 23 6.21am
[Link] A little common sense. Whether he has the balls to do it is up for debate.
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A little common sense. Whether he has the balls to do it is up for debate.

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Badger11 Beckenham 20 Sep 23 8.14am
Originally posted by cryrst [Link] A little common sense. Whether he has the balls to do it is up for debate. The usual suspects will go mad but I thinks this is just commonsense. 1. The ban on gas boilers is just plain stupid. There is no viable alternative for the majority of us. I live in a block of flats heat pumps will not work are noisy and inefficient. When they come up with a sensible alternative heating that's when they should start looking at phasing gas boilers out. You could go electric problem is that we don't generate enough electricity and this requirement is only going to go up as we switch to electric cars. 2. Electric cars. Too expensive for many, not practical for White Van Man or people who don't have off road parking. The government needs to focus on generating more electrical power and infrastructure. Edited by Badger11 (20 Sep 2023 8.22am) One more point
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Originally posted by cryrst

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A little common sense. Whether he has the balls to do it is up for debate.

The usual suspects will go mad but I thinks this is just commonsense.

1. The ban on gas boilers is just plain stupid. There is no viable alternative for the majority of us. I live in a block of flats heat pumps will not work are noisy and inefficient.

When they come up with a sensible alternative heating that's when they should start looking at phasing gas boilers out. You could go electric problem is that we don't generate enough electricity and this requirement is only going to go up as we switch to electric cars.

2. Electric cars. Too expensive for many, not practical for White Van Man or people who don't have off road parking.

The government needs to focus on generating more electrical power and infrastructure.

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martin2412 Living The Dream 20 Sep 23 8.54am
[Link] That's the way to do it.
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Living The Dream 20 Sep 23 8.54am

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That's the way to do it.

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georgenorman 20 Sep 23 8.56am
Originally posted by Badger11 The usual suspects will go mad but I thinks this is just commonsense. 1. The ban on gas boilers is just plain stupid. There is no viable alternative for the majority of us. I live in a block of flats heat pumps will not work are noisy and inefficient. When they come up with a sensible alternative heating that's when they should start looking at phasing gas boilers out. You could go electric problem is that we don't generate enough electricity and this requirement is only going to go up as we switch to electric cars. 2. Electric cars. Too expensive for many, not practical for White Van Man or people who don't have off road parking. The government needs to focus on generating more electrical power and infrastructure. Edited by Badger11 (20 Sep 2023 8.22am) The usual suspects are already mad.
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georgenorman

20 Sep 23 8.56am

Originally posted by Badger11

The usual suspects will go mad but I thinks this is just commonsense.

1. The ban on gas boilers is just plain stupid. There is no viable alternative for the majority of us. I live in a block of flats heat pumps will not work are noisy and inefficient.

2. Electric cars. Too expensive for many, not practical for White Van Man or people who don't have off road parking.

The government needs to focus on generating more electrical power and infrastructure.

Edited by Badger11 (20 Sep 2023 8.22am)

The usual suspects are already mad.

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Badger11 Beckenham 20 Sep 23 9.17am
I plead guilty to being negative about climate change policy largely because it is naive "if only we could all get on the world would be so much better", however this is a good news story. British scientists using satellite technology identified a major Methane gas leak which BG / Transco has now fixed. This is the type of practical solutions I favour. We should be using this technology across the world to identify the major Methane gas polluters and put pressure on those countries. Of course countries like Saudi Arabia and Russia will probably know and not care but it's a starting point, a map of problems. Some of those leaks will be accidental and unknown and can be stopped. Edited by Badger11 (20 Sep 2023 9.17am) One more point
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Beckenham 20 Sep 23 9.17am

I plead guilty to being negative about climate change policy largely because it is naive "if only we could all get on the world would be so much better", however this is a good news story.

British scientists using satellite technology identified a major Methane gas leak which BG / Transco has now fixed.

This is the type of practical solutions I favour. We should be using this technology across the world to identify the major Methane gas polluters and put pressure on those countries.

Of course countries like Saudi Arabia and Russia will probably know and not care but it's a starting point, a map of problems. Some of those leaks will be accidental and unknown and can be stopped.

Edited by Badger11 (20 Sep 2023 9.17am)

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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Sep 23 9.26am
Originally posted by YT I don't know if there's a phrase to cover it, but this comment is the opposite of virtue signalling. It's also meaningless, because if all MPs and celebs stopped flying tomorrow, you would still go on your holidays, and why shouldn't you? The point is that people are usually prevented from doing things by the cost. The average person will be priced out of flying and travelling generally to make the world 'greener' but the more wealthy will have no problems. The average person will be forced to accept a lower standard of life as the world population grows, resources dwindle, and migrants move in their millions to the parts of the world that seemingly offer a better life.
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20 Sep 23 9.26am

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Originally posted by YT

The point is that people are usually prevented from doing things by the cost.
The average person will be priced out of flying and travelling generally to make the world 'greener' but the more wealthy will have no problems.
The average person will be forced to accept a lower standard of life as the world population grows, resources dwindle, and migrants move in their millions to the parts of the world that seemingly offer a better life.

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Badger11 Beckenham 20 Sep 23 10.48am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The point is that people are usually prevented from doing things by the cost. The average person will be priced out of flying and travelling generally to make the world 'greener' but the more wealthy will have no problems. The average person will be forced to accept a lower standard of life as the world population grows, resources dwindle, and migrants move in their millions to the parts of the world that seemingly offer a better life. Exactly we're all in this together, only they can afford to fly around the world at taxpayers expense whilst Joe Public takes a hit on their car, fuel bills and holidays abroad. Personally I would provide MPs with a bicycle and tell them to lead by example. Edited by Badger11 (20 Sep 2023 10.49am) One more point
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Beckenham 20 Sep 23 10.48am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Exactly we're all in this together, only they can afford to fly around the world at taxpayers expense whilst Joe Public takes a hit on their car, fuel bills and holidays abroad.

Personally I would provide MPs with a bicycle and tell them to lead by example.

Edited by Badger11 (20 Sep 2023 10.49am)

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 20 Sep 23 3.10pm
Originally posted by Badger11 And this is why I despise the so called Green lobby. I am not allowed to go on holiday as it will destroy the planet yet these puffed up C units .... [Link] [Link] Who has told you you’re not allowed to go on holiday?
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Originally posted by Badger11

And this is why I despise the so called Green lobby.

I am not allowed to go on holiday as it will destroy the planet yet these puffed up C units ....

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Who has told you you’re not allowed to go on holiday?

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