I watched the video and it pretty much reflects what my primitive understanding already was.

Where I have issue however is when individuals people want to mutilate their internal and external bodies to change their physical state and be recognised as to a sex which they are not, with all society then apparently having to accept this and adopt a differing reality. Sport is the biggest one for me, sexes are segregated primarily due to their physical differences not on individual's subjective opinions of themselves. Prisons equally too. A lot of efforts these days seem concentrated on removing any other opinion or factual commentary on the physical difference between the male and female sex, claiming that everything is just a matter of freedom to select whichever option you want and order society based on that, a ludicrous if not impossible task.

Furthermore, as with the introduction of 2.3 billion different genders, is this not just an exercise in sheer narcissism whereby individuals want to make their own identification of themselves the centre of all things - mainstream talking points, seemingly academic debate for discussion and an excuse to showcase themselves in whatever media, march, demonstration, act of hysteria they wish to? It also opens the door for people exploring endless avenues as to why they encounter certain problems in life such as failure, social isolation/exclusion, bullying, lack of attention, poverty etc which often distract from the issue at hand? Would explain the shocking suicide rate amongst other statistics.

The individualistic nature of people in being remarkably diverse in our personalities, interests, behaviour etc etc should not be anything necessary to think about let alone debate on end. The removal of barriers or suffering for individuals deriving from these characteristics should be focused upon IMHO and not approached as we see these days where sex and personality are conflated, promoted as the root of all things diverting attention away from where it should be directed and applied in a manner which creates a whole new systemic loophole to be exploited, often affecting the most vulnerable in society.

It just opens a gateway for grown human beings to perpetually act like teenagers hence the staggering amount of self-indulgence, hysteria, overt displays of emotion we see so endemic these days. It is also too impactful upon the fabric of society to be treated and pursued in such a revolutionary and dogmatic, logic-less way.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

First I would say that no-one is undergoing years of hormone replacement therapy and multiple surgical treatments on a whim. This follows lengthy consultations with psychologists and doctors. I don’t think either of us really understand how much these people feel that they’re just in the wrong body. The last survey I read about said that the overwhelming majority of these people were a lot more comfortable about their place in society following the surgery. So it seems like it works.
Second, how do we then accommodate those that are going through hrt or haven’t started it yet? I know it would probably be a lot easier if we didn’t have lots of recent examples of people in positions of authority who turned out to be rapists or pedos. There’s a lot of mistrust out there.
We’re pretty much the first generation that’s had to deal with this and it does feel like we’re winging it at the moment.

Hmm, ‘best scientific and ethical advice’ doesn’t necessarily benefit the majority, as these decisions are mostly made by those placed under pressure not to be vilified by the affected minority. Nor do these decisions tend to be dealt with utilising common sense.

As I said, sex should be the basis of segregation not what someone thinks or identifies as.

So firstly I would suggest that I neither described a physical change as a ‘whim’ however secondly there are plenty of examples where those who have undergone such catastrophic actions have either ‘transitioned’ back or in some cases even taken their own lives if not just been left wanting to. There’s also a push for this to be done to younger and younger individuals which is barbarically cruel IMO. As for those wishing to undergo HRT or currently undergoing it the first step might be to stop the practice where possible with immediate effect. The other issue here however is that individuals might claim it is their right to do so if available. I don’t know the answer there with only subjective opinion but if so it should be very strictly regulated, not accessible for anyone under the age of 18 but most importantly should not allow a person to be categorised as female or male on the basis of surgery or hormone replacements. They would be their sex just with the body modification and that distinction should be noted everywhere appropriate. The likes of HRT treatment are not a perfect science.

Secondly, whilst my instinctive reaction is to vilify and shout down a lot within this spectrum my logical brain tells me there is something probably of value and truth behind it albeit probably for a very small proportion. My primary issue here is the lack of consensus and therefore clarity around the difference between sex and gender, the promulgation of ‘transgenderism’ as though it is of concern to the majority, the ideological drivers behind it and the prioritisation of this over general common sense and welfare for primarily women and children.

If, for instance, a male wants to identify as a very feminine male, with body modifications too including those that make him look like a female, I think that’s none of mine or anybody else’s business beyond where matters of sex come into consideration. If he receives extreme backlash, discrimination etc for this then yes interventions and actions may need to be taken to prevent or mitigate that for his safety. If he feels uncomfortable in a ‘Men’s’ toilet or similar, he should have a safe space but not one segregated for the exclusive use of females. Where we all have to pretend that he is a female however I disagree strongly. He is not. He is a male who chooses to act and look like a female, he should be free to live his life, so long as it doesn’t infringe upon the freedom of others, as we all should be. Where there is mass promotion and policy for the butchering and complete disregard of the English language, a corporate approach to flying different flags, holding marches and designating periods of the years to certain groups, litigation for non-adherence to ideology and subjective desires, I think we have to look at society and say this is all nonsense and quite worrying.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

So you took one article from the Heritage Foundation and think that proves something? They’re a right wing think tank funded by the Koch Foundation and heavily into climate change denial, so clearly have an agenda.
The conclusion of the report they cherry picked their data from states:
“Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.‘
This was a study of just over 300 people starting in 1972 up to 2003. As you can clearly read from the conclusion surgery is not enough and continuing psychiatric care is also necessary, it suggests that this care was not provided over the period of the study. More recent studies show a different outcome, I suspect psychiatric care has moved on a bit since this study. Maybe you could move on too?

Actually I haven’t ever even heard of them or researched their material but thanks for the info. I heard it on the wireless a few yeas ago from some professor and that was before it became vogue to be trans. If the pool of people was too small to garner honest figures; how many should it be then. One person killing themselves over something preventable is too many! Also if you need ongoing psychiatric care even after the surgery you fight so hard for then just maybe you’ve made the wrong decision you think !