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kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 23 Feb 22 9.39pm
Originally posted by Matov And what is wrong with Putin doing what he thinks is best for the Russians? The people he leads? Our leaders do not do what would be best for the people of the UK. If they did, we would be fracking, mining coal, building nuclear power stations along with pumping billions into research for effective alternatives so that the UK is totally self-dependent for its power needs. Ditto with the Germans, ditto with the Yanks and so on. And this was happening, or rather moves towards it. Especially in the US but the UK was making progress as well. Then it all came to a halt? Why? Why would any political leadership want their nation to be dependent on foreign-controlled fuels? Makes no sense unless you think your leadership has been utterly corrupted. As the Wests has been. I remember when it was the lefties who were told "if you like it so much why dont you go and live in Russia".. Ironic its now the right who admire the Russian leadership. Edited by kevlee (23 Feb 2022 9.39pm) Edited by kevlee (23 Feb 2022 9.40pm) Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978
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born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 23 Feb 22 9.39pm

Originally posted by Matov

And what is wrong with Putin doing what he thinks is best for the Russians? The people he leads?

Our leaders do not do what would be best for the people of the UK. If they did, we would be fracking, mining coal, building nuclear power stations along with pumping billions into research for effective alternatives so that the UK is totally self-dependent for its power needs.

Ditto with the Germans, ditto with the Yanks and so on. And this was happening, or rather moves towards it. Especially in the US but the UK was making progress as well.

Then it all came to a halt? Why? Why would any political leadership want their nation to be dependent on foreign-controlled fuels? Makes no sense unless you think your leadership has been utterly corrupted.

As the Wests has been.

I remember when it was the lefties who were told "if you like it so much why dont you go and live in Russia"..
Ironic its now the right who admire the Russian leadership.

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Matov 23 Feb 22 9.59pm
Originally posted by kevlee I remember when it was the lefties who were told "if you like it so much why dont you go and live in Russia".. Ironic its now the right who admire the Russian leadership. Edited by kevlee (23 Feb 2022 9.39pm) Edited by kevlee (23 Feb 2022 9.40pm) And perhaps a warning signal. If those of us on the Right, who are defined as being nationalist, are deemed to be siding with a foreign power then what does that tell you about the state of the country we are meant to be the 'flag-shaggers' for? I don't admire Putin because he is Russian. I admire him because he actually leads. Puts his own people and their interests at the top of his agenda. Does what he thinks is best for those who elected him to lead them. Does anybody think that Johnson does anything for anybody other than Johnson? Or Starmer? Or Biden? Or Macron? Or anybody else in any kind of senior leadership role in the West? "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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23 Feb 22 9.59pm

Originally posted by kevlee

I remember when it was the lefties who were told "if you like it so much why dont you go and live in Russia"..
Ironic its now the right who admire the Russian leadership.

Edited by kevlee (23 Feb 2022 9.39pm)

Edited by kevlee (23 Feb 2022 9.40pm)

And perhaps a warning signal. If those of us on the Right, who are defined as being nationalist, are deemed to be siding with a foreign power then what does that tell you about the state of the country we are meant to be the 'flag-shaggers' for?

I don't admire Putin because he is Russian. I admire him because he actually leads. Puts his own people and their interests at the top of his agenda. Does what he thinks is best for those who elected him to lead them.

Does anybody think that Johnson does anything for anybody other than Johnson? Or Starmer? Or Biden? Or Macron? Or anybody else in any kind of senior leadership role in the West?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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georgenorman 23 Feb 22 10.10pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The comparison with Hitler does not and was not intended to stand close scrutiny. The obvious similarity is a dictator invading neighbours, with sympathy from some sections of the British population, with European governments trying to avoid escalation and looking helpless. Exactly this.
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23 Feb 22 10.10pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The comparison with Hitler does not and was not intended to stand close scrutiny. The obvious similarity is a dictator invading neighbours, with sympathy from some sections of the British
population, with European governments trying to avoid escalation and looking helpless.

Exactly this.

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Stirlingsays 23 Feb 22 10.23pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Our existence is at risk, but not primarily because of Putin. The existential threat is far more likely about migration, not bombs. The comparison with Hitler does not and was not intended to stand close scrutiny. The obvious similarity is a dictator invading neighbours, with sympathy from some sections of the British population, with European governments trying to avoid escalation and looking helpless. As you know we do have existential threats....some might say we sleepwalked beyond them twenty years ago....but the present existential threat isn't from migrating Europeans....most of whom wouldn't be coming here anyway. In terms of sympathy, did you watch the Rod Liddle video? I don't think it's right that it's sympathy with Putin over recognition that this situation was wholly avoidable. While I don't see an existential threat myself I certainly know our living standards will be going down and this is just the economic frigging icing on the frigging cake. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Feb 22 10.23pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Our existence is at risk, but not primarily because of Putin. The existential threat is far more likely about migration, not bombs.

As you know we do have existential threats....some might say we sleepwalked beyond them twenty years ago....but the present existential threat isn't from migrating Europeans....most of whom wouldn't be coming here anyway.

In terms of sympathy, did you watch the Rod Liddle video? I don't think it's right that it's sympathy with Putin over recognition that this situation was wholly avoidable.

While I don't see an existential threat myself I certainly know our living standards will be going down and this is just the economic frigging icing on the frigging cake.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 24 Feb 22 3.38am
As Putin moves, here is the start of conflict map of Ukraine. If you want live updated information from Ukrainians there is livemap. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Feb 2022 3.40am) Attachment: Ukraine_start.JPG (173.96Kb) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Feb 22 3.38am

As Putin moves, here is the start of conflict map of Ukraine.

If you want live updated information from Ukrainians there is livemap.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Feb 2022 3.40am)

Attachment: Ukraine_start.JPG (173.96Kb)

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 24 Feb 22 4.58am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays As Putin moves, here is the start of conflict map of Ukraine. If you want live updated information from Ukrainians there is livemap. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Feb 2022 3.40am) Interesting Stirling. It's good hearing the different angles on the HOL, rather than the single-point we get from the meeja. I am interested in the political map of the West. How they will tangle themselves in political knots trying to swerve doing anything meaningful. Because this situation is of their making. Much like the Iraq war. And the major thing is to keep their own electorate on-side. Sit on their hands and waffle a bit, whilst Russia re-establishes the USSR.(or CCCP) as protectionism against a Western attempt to gain ground. (though I might be wrong. ^^. I was wrong once before) Edited by Forest Hillbilly (24 Feb 2022 5.00am) I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As Putin moves, here is the start of conflict map of Ukraine.

If you want live updated information from Ukrainians there is livemap.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Feb 2022 3.40am)

Interesting Stirling.
It's good hearing the different angles on the HOL, rather than the single-point we get from the meeja.
I am interested in the political map of the West. How they will tangle themselves in political knots trying to swerve doing anything meaningful. Because this situation is of their making. Much like the Iraq war. And the major thing is to keep their own electorate on-side. Sit on their hands and waffle a bit, whilst Russia re-establishes the USSR.(or CCCP) as protectionism against a Western attempt to gain ground.

(though I might be wrong. ^^. I was wrong once before)

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (24 Feb 2022 5.00am)

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 24 Feb 22 5.54am
And here we go... Hopefully this stays contained within ukraine, i have my doubts though. The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 24 Feb 22 5.54am

And here we go...

Hopefully this stays contained within ukraine, i have my doubts though.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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georgenorman 24 Feb 22 6.29am
I take it all the pro-Putin supporters on here are very pleased?
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24 Feb 22 6.29am

I take it all the pro-Putin supporters on here are very pleased?

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Matov 24 Feb 22 6.45am
Originally posted by georgenorman I take it all the pro-Putin supporters on here are very pleased? Let's see how this pans out first. Personally, I suspect/hope it will just be about securing the break-away republics but who honestly knows? All I do know is that history teaches us that in this modern-day and age, it's not so much the issue of taking territory that causes a military problem but rather the holding of it and I credit Putin with being smarter than thinking he can do that. Russia has been prodded and poked for well over a decade and now it has decided to hit back. I loathe the fact that Europeans are fighting each other and hope that it all comes to an end very, very quickly. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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24 Feb 22 6.45am

Originally posted by georgenorman

I take it all the pro-Putin supporters on here are very pleased?

Let's see how this pans out first. Personally, I suspect/hope it will just be about securing the break-away republics but who honestly knows?

All I do know is that history teaches us that in this modern-day and age, it's not so much the issue of taking territory that causes a military problem but rather the holding of it and I credit Putin with being smarter than thinking he can do that.

Russia has been prodded and poked for well over a decade and now it has decided to hit back. I loathe the fact that Europeans are fighting each other and hope that it all comes to an end very, very quickly.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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georgenorman 24 Feb 22 7.29am
Originally posted by Matov Let's see how this pans out first. Personally, I suspect/hope it will just be about securing the break-away republics but who honestly knows? All I do know is that history teaches us that in this modern-day and age, it's not so much the issue of taking territory that causes a military problem but rather the holding of it and I credit Putin with being smarter than thinking he can do that. Russia has been prodded and poked for well over a decade and now it has decided to hit back. I loathe the fact that Europeans are fighting each other and hope that it all comes to an end very, very quickly. I find your admiration of the thug Putin and your tacit support of his invasion of Ukraine sickening. Edited by georgenorman (24 Feb 2022 7.30am)
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24 Feb 22 7.29am

Originally posted by Matov

Let's see how this pans out first. Personally, I suspect/hope it will just be about securing the break-away republics but who honestly knows?

I find your admiration of the thug Putin and your tacit support of his invasion of Ukraine sickening.

Edited by georgenorman (24 Feb 2022 7.30am)

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The Dolphin 24 Feb 22 7.36am
At the risk of repeating what others may have said - Putin is poking the West and in my opinion intends to take over Ukraine whilst threatening nuclear war to anyone who wants to intervene. If this one succeeds then watch his invasions gather pace - he wants the old USSR back together again. It is ridiculously scary and I would far prefer Trump was in charge over in Washington rather than Old Joe who doesn't seem to have a clue as to what is going on. WW3 is not off the cards and I wish someone would take Putin out - not for a drink obviously - because I am sure that the Russians themselves do not want this crap!
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24 Feb 22 7.36am

At the risk of repeating what others may have said - Putin is poking the West and in my opinion intends to take over Ukraine whilst threatening nuclear war to anyone who wants to intervene.
If this one succeeds then watch his invasions gather pace - he wants the old USSR back together again.
It is ridiculously scary and I would far prefer Trump was in charge over in Washington rather than Old Joe who doesn't seem to have a clue as to what is going on.
WW3 is not off the cards and I wish someone would take Putin out - not for a drink obviously - because I am sure that the Russians themselves do not want this crap!

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dreamwaverider London 24 Feb 22 7.37am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays As Putin moves, here is the start of conflict map of Ukraine. If you want live updated information from Ukrainians there is livemap. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Feb 2022 3.40am) Goodbye beach holidays inUkraine then.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As Putin moves, here is the start of conflict map of Ukraine.

If you want live updated information from Ukrainians there is livemap.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Feb 2022 3.40am)

Goodbye beach holidays inUkraine then.

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