A little harsh perhaps as he's clearly a nationalist but I'd agree that Trump has always been self absorbed and closed off.

However, he does need to answer for several things to the rights' supporters.....it's all very well the left wanting his blood but we need answers on topics like:

Why didn't he deal with silicon valley.....he had four years to do it....suddenly talking about it in the last couple of months was pointless and fooled nobody serious.

These people silenced a President....that is way too much power and wholly against what the regulators who protected them and enabled them at the beginning would have intended.

Why didn't he pardon Assange/Snowden and instead pardon people who didn't only hate him but are also danagours criminals.

Basically why didn't the right get the 2015 Trump.....what they got was a President who focused more on achieving for Israel than for his voters....especially the white males who voted for him on block in 2016.

He literally offered bribes to the black community who still voted 90 percent Democrat. Yet when pushed by the media he would disown his own supporters like the Proud boys (who aren't exclusively white anyway...indeed, their leader is Hispanic).

I want answers.....I mean, in truth, I know the real answers but I still want to hear it from him.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jan 2021 4.17pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Perhaps answers would be the worst thing? Confirming that the entire structure is so rotten that no matter who gets into power, the system will essentially spew them out at the end as all the same?

Lets be honest, Trump was never the ideal answer. Not even close. And back in 2016 his primary appeal was that he was not Hillary. Once Bannon went then the entire project was effectively over in any meaningful way with the only benefit now being that at least we no longer have to put up with the illusion of notions such as the Deep State being a figment of the imagination.

Trump, for all his many and varied faults, at least acted as the catalyst for confirming what many people had suspected all along. Throw in a media that is fawning beyond belief around Biden and you simply have a political process that is beyond repair.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

The amusing thing here is that Biden appears to have always harboured a dislike of Facebook, and Zuckerberg. So much so that he is reportedly seeking a way to bring them down a peg or two. Not sure how that plays to the rights narrative around the left/social media. Not saying that it's not left leaning but the situation is not as binary as Left = love in, Right = censored.

It is also worth remembering that for all the Trump rhetoric about Facebook et al, his content was consistently amongst the highest read/engaged with, despite the sometimes over zealous claims of censorship amongst some pockets of the right. Maybe that made him reticent about publicly going for them, when he knew he needed them for his re-election campaign. Even if he'd won I doubt he would have done anything serious. Why bite the hand that feeds you?

Edited by SW19 CPFC (25 Jan 2021 5.18pm)

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

An interesting perspective. The same of mainstream media too. They criticised Trump's every word, and he intentionally engaged in rhetoric he knew was out there and would make headlines. It was a symbiotic relationship. For them he was the gift that kept on giving, and brought in the $$$ and ratings. For him it was hundreds of millions of dollars in free publicity and gained him the Presidency. They used each other.

The left-right argument with regard to Facebook and co is definitely worth having. As unhappy as governments make out they are with Facebook they're no doubt in bed with them at all times with their hands on that precious user data and anything else of potential value. They won't care much about the politics of it as long as these things march on, with facial recognition and the like down the line. Governments always play left against right and vice versa on areas like this, or terror legislation and the like. All they care about is having a good hard grip on the people.

I don't think I could have summed that up better myself.

The governmental machine/state will always work against any president that appears to shake it up.

Trump was always half hearted at the start, and the real drive to change things was more from Bannon....who was quickly removed.

Bannon wrote the 'American Carnage' speech from Trump's inauguration ..and we can see the sheer difference from that and what actually happened.

Perhaps Trump pardoning Bannon was a quiet recognition that he took the wrong path. Probably not...more likely just rewarding him for loyalty after he kicked him out.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jan 2021 6.12pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I think that would traditionally be the position but I think there is now a growing realisation amongst the left or right normies....even if the left are in power in the states (and in many senses here)....that globalism (which is just another manifestation of financial elites) truly rules the system much more than any political figurehead.

Nothing really changes as the system is made to suit those financial elites and not the plebs.....no one is draining no swamp.

Even though both Trump and Corbyn were political enemies and see the world very differently they both had that anti globalist footing in common. Even though Trump was far more half hearted in reality than Corbyn would have been.....because as we know, Trump wasn't a globalist but he was an elite and so he was never going to meteorically be the Turkey who voted for Christmas.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jan 2021 6.37pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)