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  Hrolf The Ganger  28 Oct 17 12.50pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I'm none the wiser. If I Wanted someone killed I wouldn't arrange some sort of car crash were the target might get away with a bit of whiplash. [Link] I don't know the truth just like you but I am suspicious when stuff like that happens.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 28 Oct 17 12.52pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Was the inquest and everything part of the conspiracy then? How many involved in it? It didn't go to a coroner in the normal way. Tony Blair made sure of that. Look it up.
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| Stirlingsays 28 Oct 17 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What is one of those exactly? This is the problem with human psychology. If you question the official line you must be one of 'those' people. It is any surprise then that we can have stuff slipped passed us so easily? I don't believe for a minute that the Kennedy's were killed by lone gunman acting alone but that does not mean I believe in the Loch Ness Monster or that Elvis is alive or that Hitler lives on the Moon. All occurrences are different and require separate consideration and an open mind. A conspiracy theory is only a theory until it is prove true. Do you think that Dr David Kelly was murdered? No I don't think Kelly was murdered. What I mean by conspiracy theorist is a person who is willing to believe in things based on suspicion or contentious evidence that can be countered. The kind of things you'd complain about if you were convicted using them in a court of law. Conspiracies exist, Watergate, for example. I don't just believe things because a claim is made. Like I said, on those that interested me I took two claimed for conspiracies seriously in my life and looked into them and found them wanting. I can confirm that....at least from my perspective that the basic narratives of both the Kennedy assassination and 9/11 are true.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 28 Oct 17 1.12pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
No I don't think Kelly was murdered. What I mean by conspiracy theorist is a person who is willing to believe in things based on suspicion or contentious evidence that can be countered. The kind of things you'd complain about if you were convicted using them in a court of law. Conspiracies exist, Watergate, for example. I don't just believe things because a claim is made. Like I said, on those that interested me I took two claimed for conspiracies seriously in my life and looked into them and found them wanting. I can confirm that....at least from my perspective that the basic narratives of both the Kennedy assassination and 9/11 are true.
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| Stirlingsays 28 Oct 17 1.21pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No, of course they don't. However there is also the factor of competence and the issue of keeping anything major a secret. Nixon was fond of lying and keeping secrets. He was a very smart man, yet with the functions of state behind him we saw just have long strategies like that can realistically last before disclosure in one form or another. I recommend watching the recent Vietham series to see the obvious of how politics is done. Also to see just how hit and miss its implementations are. Anyway, I won't bore you with my thoughts on things like this any longer. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Oct 2017 1.22pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 28 Oct 17 1.27pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
No, of course they don't. However there is also the factor of competence and the issue of keeping anything major a secret. Nixon was fond of lying and keeping secrets. He was a very smart man, yet with the functions of state behind him we saw just have long strategies like that can realistically last before disclosure in one form or another. I recommend watching the recent Vietham series to see the obvious of how politics is done. Also to see just how hit and miss its implementations are. Anyway, I won't bore you with my thoughts on things like this any longer. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Oct 2017 1.22pm) It's not boring, just a dead end subject. We will be debating the same stuff till we die without knowing. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Oct 2017 1.28pm)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 28 Oct 17 1.28pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The fact is that no one knows the truth about anything of this nature and if the powers that be wish to keep something secret then we never will. Therefore all such discussions are pointless. Did Hitler really commit suicide? I believe he had quite a few enemies. Could have been a Zionist conspiracy?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 28 Oct 17 1.32pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Did Hitler really commit suicide? I believe he had quite a few enemies. Could have been a Zionist conspiracy? Well the skull that the Russians had that they claimed was Hitler's turned out to be a woman so there is no concrete evidence that he died in the bunker. The Americans certainly suspected that he might have escaped. He is dead now. That is for sure.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 28 Oct 17 2.18pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Well the skull that the Russians had that they claimed was Hitler's turned out to be a woman so there is no concrete evidence that he died in the bunker. The Americans certainly suspected that he might have escaped. He is dead now. That is for sure. Rochus Misch was the last person still alive in 2005 to have seen the Hitler and Eva Braun dead in their bunker. "Hitler was sitting at the table, slumped forward, and Eva Braun was lying next to him. I saw that with my own eyes."
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| Hrolf The Ganger 28 Oct 17 2.30pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Rochus Misch was the last person still alive in 2005 to have seen the Hitler and Eva Braun dead in their bunker. "Hitler was sitting at the table, slumped forward, and Eva Braun was lying next to him. I saw that with my own eyes."
No, it wasn't.
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| Stirlingsays 28 Oct 17 3.04pm |
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Hitler was probably the second worst human in terms of being responsible for last century deaths but he was no coward. Being a runner in WW1 with multiple decorations proved that. He took the military way out. He feared being captured by the Russians as he knew what would be coming....humiliation and a nasty end was something he inflicted on others. He wasn't sticking around for feedback. If the USSR seriously thought he'd escaped they would have gone to the moon and back looking for him. Or maybe that's just a bit of bully....and he found a new career pole dancing in some of the more sophisticated Paris nightclubs. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Oct 2017 3.06pm)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 28 Oct 17 5.13pm |
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All these events faked! Hitler's death, JKK, his brother, Princess Diana, 9/11, 7/7, the moon landings, the guy's suicide whose name I can't remember at the moment ... please tell me that scrapping a draw against West Ham didn't really happen.
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