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Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Jun 16 11.49pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Nothing. Love it. Hope to be on it myself one day. As a Champagne Socialist relic? COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 26 Jun 16 11.49pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Nothing. Love it. Hope to be on it myself one day.

As a Champagne Socialist relic?

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Jun 16 11.53pm
Originally posted by SeagullHunter Morgan Stanley have 100% started moving jobs from the UK, cousin in the London office already heard murmurs of relocation to Frankfurt. Of course they will deny it. Laughable. The DAX, CAC and Spanish stock markets were hammered far more than the FTSE. There is some leverage here with us being the biggest German export market. Invoke article 50 before a General Election so Labour can't stop it and preferably before a Tory leadership contest so a remainer can't block it either. Don't rush it but do it before it's blocked. COYP
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Caterham 26 Jun 16 11.53pm

Originally posted by SeagullHunter

Morgan Stanley have 100% started moving jobs from the UK, cousin in the London office already heard murmurs of relocation to Frankfurt. Of course they will deny it. Laughable.

The DAX, CAC and Spanish stock markets were hammered far more than the FTSE. There is some leverage here with us being the biggest German export market.

Invoke article 50 before a General Election so Labour can't stop it and preferably before a Tory leadership contest so a remainer can't block it either. Don't rush it but do it before it's blocked.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Jun 16 11.55pm
Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood I think you're missing the point, a large bulk of the signatures are FAKE, as proved by the link in that youtube video where someone from luxemburg signs the petition within about 30 seconds. There is another link showing something like 700,000 signups from Indonesia. Propaganda from Goldman Sachs no doubt I rather think it is you missing the point. Why on earth would anyone be daft enough to try to make 700,000 sign ups from anywhere, let alone Indonesia. Online petitions are checked to ensure that those signing are truly from British citizens, and where fraud is established, and there will be some mischief making, then it will be removed. It is the idea which matters, and not yet the way to progress it. The petition is merely being used as a vehicle to expose the idea and let it catch fire. It has, and it will. It will be resisted by the leavers, and by some old style politicians, but I forecast this will have legs and soon be running. It is still very early yet. The shock of the death of reason has still not sunk in and the inquest has barely begun. It will, and then the people will demand that our political classes grow the balls they need to do their duty. I have given up trying to debate this with hardline UKIP sympathisers, for they are beyond reason. We must now concentrate upon those willing and wanting to truly take our country back. Back into the hands of those who are our future, and not those whose feet are rooted in the past. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 26 Jun 16 11.55pm

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

I think you're missing the point, a large bulk of the signatures are FAKE, as proved by the link in that youtube video where someone from luxemburg signs the petition within about 30 seconds. There is another link showing something like 700,000 signups from Indonesia. Propaganda from Goldman Sachs no doubt

I rather think it is you missing the point. Why on earth would anyone be daft enough to try to make 700,000 sign ups from anywhere, let alone Indonesia. Online petitions are checked to ensure that those signing are truly from British citizens, and where fraud is established, and there will be some mischief making, then it will be removed. It is the idea which matters, and not yet the way to progress it. The petition is merely being used as a vehicle to expose the idea and let it catch fire. It has, and it will. It will be resisted by the leavers, and by some old style politicians, but I forecast this will have legs and soon be running. It is still very early yet. The shock of the death of reason has still not sunk in and the inquest has barely begun. It will, and then the people will demand that our political classes grow the balls they need to do their duty. I have given up trying to debate this with hardline UKIP sympathisers, for they are beyond reason. We must now concentrate upon those willing and wanting to truly take our country back. Back into the hands of those who are our future, and not those whose feet are rooted in the past.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.07am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I rather think it is you missing the point. Why on earth would anyone be daft enough to try to make 700,000 sign ups from anywhere, let alone Indonesia. Online petitions are checked to ensure that those signing are truly from British citizens, and where fraud is established, and there will be some mischief making, then it will be removed. It is the idea which matters, and not yet the way to progress it. The petition is merely being used as a vehicle to expose the idea and let it catch fire. It has, and it will. It will be resisted by the leavers, and by some old style politicians, but I forecast this will have legs and soon be running. It is still very early yet. The shock of the death of reason has still not sunk in and the inquest has barely begun. It will, and then the people will demand that our political classes grow the balls they need to do their duty. I have given up trying to debate this with hardline UKIP sympathisers, for they are beyond reason. We must now concentrate upon those willing and wanting to truly take our country back. Back into the hands of those who are our future, and not those whose feet are rooted in the past. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.07am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 12.20am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman An insightful riposte. Good work.
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Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 12.20am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

An insightful riposte. Good work.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.21am
Boris in the Telegraph 'I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe – and always will be' [Link] Might calm some of the pant wetters. Here's the key bit IMO at the end. I believe that this climate of apprehension is understandable, given what people were told during the campaign, but based on a profound misunderstanding about what has really taken place. At home and abroad, the negative consequences are being wildly overdone, and the upside is being ignored. The stock market is way above its level of last autumn; the pound remains higher than it was in 2013 and 2014. The economy is in good hands. Most sensible people can see that Bank of England governor Mark Carney has done a superb job – and now that the referendum is over, he will be able to continue his work without being in the political firing-line. Thanks in large part to the reforms put in place by David Cameron and George Osborne, the fundamentals of the UK economy are outstandingly strong – a dynamic and outward-looking economy with an ever-improving skills base, and with a big lead in some of the key growth sectors of the 21st century. We should be incredibly proud and positive about the UK, and what it can now achieve. And we will achieve those things together, with all four nations united. We had one Scotland referendum in 2014, and I do not detect any real appetite to have another one soon; and it goes without saying that we are much better together in forging a new and better relationship with the EU – based on free trade and partnership, rather than a federal system. I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU. British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. Britain is and always will be a great European power, offering top-table opinions and giving leadership on everything from foreign policy to defence to counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing – all the things we need to do together to make our world safer. The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal. This will bring not threats, but golden opportunities for this country – to pass laws and set taxes according to the needs of the UK. Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry. Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which could be used on priorities such as the NHS. Yes, we will be able to do free trade deals with the growth economies of the world in a way that is currently forbidden. There is every cause for optimism; a Britain rebooted, reset, renewed and able to engage with the whole world. This was a seismic campaign whose lessons must be learnt by politicians at home and abroad. We heard the voices of millions of the forgotten people, who have seen no real increase in their incomes, while FTSE-100 chiefs now earn 150 times the average pay of their employees. We must pursue actively the one-nation policies that are among David Cameron’s fine legacy, such as his campaigns on the Living Wage and Life Chances. There is no doubt that many were speaking up for themselves. But they were also speaking up for democracy, and the verdict of history will be that the British people got it right. COYP
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Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.21am

Boris in the Telegraph 'I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe – and always will be'

[Link]

Might calm some of the pant wetters. Here's the key bit IMO at the end.

I believe that this climate of apprehension is understandable, given what people were told during the campaign, but based on a profound misunderstanding about what has really taken place. At home and abroad, the negative consequences are being wildly overdone, and the upside is being ignored. The stock market is way above its level of last autumn; the pound remains higher than it was in 2013 and 2014.

The economy is in good hands. Most sensible people can see that Bank of England governor Mark Carney has done a superb job – and now that the referendum is over, he will be able to continue his work without being in the political firing-line. Thanks in large part to the reforms put in place by David Cameron and George Osborne, the fundamentals of the UK economy are outstandingly strong – a dynamic and outward-looking economy with an ever-improving skills base, and with a big lead in some of the key growth sectors of the 21st century.

We should be incredibly proud and positive about the UK, and what it can now achieve. And we will achieve those things together, with all four nations united. We had one Scotland referendum in 2014, and I do not detect any real appetite to have another one soon; and it goes without saying that we are much better together in forging a new and better relationship with the EU – based on free trade and partnership, rather than a federal system.

I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.

British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. Britain is and always will be a great European power, offering top-table opinions and giving leadership on everything from foreign policy to defence to counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing – all the things we need to do together to make our world safer.

The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal. This will bring not threats, but golden opportunities for this country – to pass laws and set taxes according to the needs of the UK.

Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry. Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which could be used on priorities such as the NHS. Yes, we will be able to do free trade deals with the growth economies of the world in a way that is currently forbidden.

There is every cause for optimism; a Britain rebooted, reset, renewed and able to engage with the whole world. This was a seismic campaign whose lessons must be learnt by politicians at home and abroad. We heard the voices of millions of the forgotten people, who have seen no real increase in their incomes, while FTSE-100 chiefs now earn 150 times the average pay of their employees. We must pursue actively the one-nation policies that are among David Cameron’s fine legacy, such as his campaigns on the Living Wage and Life Chances. There is no doubt that many were speaking up for themselves.

But they were also speaking up for democracy, and the verdict of history will be that the British people got it right.

COYP

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 12.22am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman The DAX, CAC and Spanish stock markets were hammered far more than the FTSE. There is some leverage here with us being the biggest German export market. Invoke article 50 before a General Election so Labour can't stop it and preferably before a Tory leadership contest so a remainer can't block it either. Don't rush it but do it before it's blocked. I think you'll find that Corbyn has said we should follow the will of the people and invoke article 50 asap.
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Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 12.22am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The DAX, CAC and Spanish stock markets were hammered far more than the FTSE. There is some leverage here with us being the biggest German export market.

Invoke article 50 before a General Election so Labour can't stop it and preferably before a Tory leadership contest so a remainer can't block it either. Don't rush it but do it before it's blocked.

I think you'll find that Corbyn has said we should follow the will of the people and invoke article 50 asap.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.31am
Originally posted by nickgusset An insightful riposte. Good work. It was boring though. The more I hear this stuff the more boring it is, and I've heard a lot of it today on the radio, alternating between remain sulkers clutching at straws and intelligent people for leave and going against the stereotype of the bigoted moron. It's more clutching at straws that would undermine democracy by claiming it's democracy at work. Hey?Honestly, the rest of the world will laugh at us if these tantrum remainers get their way. The one credible theory I heard was that a compromise would be reached and we'd stay in the EU by insisting EU immigrants have freedom of labour movement to the UK. By that he meant they had a job already. A great idea I thought. Later I realised it's open to fraud. Forged letters, copied template letters. Promises from agencies without definite work. The possibilities are endless and the temptation to come will grow when the 2020 living wage comes in. But don't worry, as long as Will Self and the champagne socialists know they're favouring people from Eastern Europe before our own citizens, I'm sure it'll make for a healthy and sustainable society and economy. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 12.42am) COYP
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Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.31am

Originally posted by nickgusset

An insightful riposte. Good work.

It was boring though. The more I hear this stuff the more boring it is, and I've heard a lot of it today on the radio, alternating between remain sulkers clutching at straws and intelligent people for leave and going against the stereotype of the bigoted moron.

It's more clutching at straws that would undermine democracy by claiming it's democracy at work. Hey?Honestly, the rest of the world will laugh at us if these tantrum remainers get their way.

The one credible theory I heard was that a compromise would be reached and we'd stay in the EU by insisting EU immigrants have freedom of labour movement to the UK. By that he meant they had a job already. A great idea I thought. Later I realised it's open to fraud. Forged letters, copied template letters. Promises from agencies without definite work. The possibilities are endless and the temptation to come will grow when the 2020 living wage comes in. But don't worry, as long as Will Self and the champagne socialists know they're favouring people from Eastern Europe before our own citizens, I'm sure it'll make for a healthy and sustainable society and economy.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 12.42am)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.33am
Originally posted by nickgusset I think you'll find that Corbyn has said we should follow the will of the people and invoke article 50 asap. Good. Shown his true colours, intentions and likely referendum vote. Hopefully Labour won't shove Corbyn out completely then (I agree with the protection of workers' rights) and bring in a Blairite with nothing to lose or David Miliband into Jo Cox's constituency although any of them will lose I think. Now the tories need to mute the likes of David Lammy, Ruth Davison. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 12.54am) COYP
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Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.33am

Originally posted by nickgusset

I think you'll find that Corbyn has said we should follow the will of the people and invoke article 50 asap.

Good. Shown his true colours, intentions and likely referendum vote. Hopefully Labour won't shove Corbyn out completely then (I agree with the protection of workers' rights) and bring in a Blairite with nothing to lose or David Miliband into Jo Cox's constituency although any of them will lose I think.

Now the tories need to mute the likes of David Lammy, Ruth Davison.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 12.54am)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.40am
Spoke to an early 20's female graduate today. She has no economic background and certainly no understanding. Couldn't understand the demand and supply with regard to housing. Kept going on about the prices will crash because of leave. Tried to explain it to her but she didn't want to know or find out. She'd heard what she wanted to before. Then it was '3 million jobs will be lost.' She didn't hear then that Chukka Umuna et al were called up on this that they would not 'be lost' but were 'linked to the EU.' When trying to explain these jobs were linked to the EU and would not be lost in 1 fail swoop she just didn't want to know. She almost put her hands over her ears to go la la la la. This is what we're dealing with. Young people who know better, young people who go by what they have heard once and run with it till the bitter end. They will learn at some point that being stubborn is stupid and costs you but they're too young and inexperienced to know or want to learn from others. Perhaps it's being fed garbage at school that makes short headlines so easy to digest, use and spread around their peer groups. COYP
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Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.40am

Spoke to an early 20's female graduate today. She has no economic background and certainly no understanding. Couldn't understand the demand and supply with regard to housing. Kept going on about the prices will crash because of leave. Tried to explain it to her but she didn't want to know or find out. She'd heard what she wanted to before.

Then it was '3 million jobs will be lost.' She didn't hear then that Chukka Umuna et al were called up on this that they would not 'be lost' but were 'linked to the EU.' When trying to explain these jobs were linked to the EU and would not be lost in 1 fail swoop she just didn't want to know. She almost put her hands over her ears to go la la la la.

This is what we're dealing with. Young people who know better, young people who go by what they have heard once and run with it till the bitter end. They will learn at some point that being stubborn is stupid and costs you but they're too young and inexperienced to know or want to learn from others. Perhaps it's being fed garbage at school that makes short headlines so easy to digest, use and spread around their peer groups.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 27 Jun 16 1.11am
Originally posted by nickgusset I think you'll find that Corbyn has said we should follow the will of the people and invoke article 50 asap. I think you'll find that, this time next week, whatever Corbyn says or thinks will be completely irrelevant. And as that slipperiest of slippery b@stards Harold Wilson said, a week is a long time in politics. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 27 Jun 16 1.11am

Originally posted by nickgusset

I think you'll find that Corbyn has said we should follow the will of the people and invoke article 50 asap.

I think you'll find that, this time next week, whatever Corbyn says or thinks will be completely irrelevant. And as that slipperiest of slippery b@stards Harold Wilson said, a week is a long time in politics.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 27 Jun 16 1.14am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Spoke to an early 20's female graduate today. She has no economic background and certainly no understanding. Couldn't understand the demand and supply with regard to housing. Kept going on about the prices will crash because of leave. Tried to explain it to her but she didn't want to know or find out. She'd heard what she wanted to before. Then it was '3 million jobs will be lost.' She didn't hear then that Chukka Umuna et al were called up on this that they would not 'be lost' but were 'linked to the EU.' When trying to explain these jobs were linked to the EU and would not be lost in 1 fail swoop she just didn't want to know. She almost put her hands over her ears to go la la la la. This is what we're dealing with. Young people who know better, young people who go by what they have heard once and run with it till the bitter end. They will learn at some point that being stubborn is stupid and costs you but they're too young and inexperienced to know or want to learn from others. Perhaps it's being fed garbage at school that makes short headlines so easy to digest, use and spread around their peer groups. We really have sired a generation of thick cnts. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham*
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Clapham on the Back 27 Jun 16 1.14am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

We really have sired a generation of thick c*nts.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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