No, it's just because they lie about pretty much everything. I've no idea what the Russians get from their own media (as I can't speak Russian and Russian channels are censored) but I do remember though that at least RT had long form interviews. Compared to the BBC's 2min soundbites and only inviting certain people on current affairs shows for character assassinations of people that didn't follow the correct agenda (media pile ons of people airing legitimate grievances like Tommy Robinson) . Anyway, probably best discussed on the BBC forum although it's familiar to most western mainstream media now. To view alternative media as "pro-Russian" by the way is just a mistake. Whether they are left or right leaning they tend to have a much more truly diverse make up and deal with things in much more detail and with nuance covering the "commissions" that tend to tell the important stories.

I think an over-reliance on polling to justify all kinds of things is proving a major issue in our political system. Brexit for example could have been very different if the polling methodology had been more accurate.

Worked out well for my side but suspect it paints far too many wrong pictures so everybody should be wary.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Interesting that there are reports that Russia has dismantled and stolen the largest Solar panel plant in Ukraine (near the town of Tokmak). Occupied and transitioning to the Ruble from April, you'd think if they expected to hold the territory, they'd not dismantle it. It's almost as if the narrative that they sought to 'protect' these people and regions is a lie and they they'd rather drain these areas of anything of use... Imagine my shock..

The Soviet Union did the exact same thing with conquered territories. Moving industrial equipment back to Russia. Bleeding areas dry. Remember in Donbass in 2014, ideas of providing help to those in need, just PR stunts, sending empty 'humaniatarian aid' trucks [Link] As likely to remove than provide. Russians in Ukranian territory are useful to the contrived invasion narrative but that seems to be about the extent of it.

Edited by BlueJay (23 Jun 2022 5.00pm)

Certainly possible, but I'm sure the same reasoning could be stated if we suddenly see that they've been put back together firmly in Russian territory. Though yes, I agree, nobody really comes out of this a winner in terms of the price that is paid on all fronts.

The buffer, that the EU and Russia should both want, is likely now to be eroded away (Moldova has also been given candidate status). Two large blocks will be staring at each other when this concludes. Not a good thing imo.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

Of course that’s what they want but that may give Putin an excuse to accelerate his plans; be prepared to have all gas to the EU stopped in retaliation. He doesn’t have to use armed forces to get his way but he now has an excuse to ‘attack’ the EU for them taking the Ukraine situation to the next level. The best outcome I can see is the eastern portion of Ukraine being given over to Russian influence as part of an acceptable condition of the EU expansion (effectively that area becomes the buffer).

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.