Do you believe that many police forces came to the same conclusions independently?

I don’t but I have no more evidence than anyone else. What I do have is a lot of sympathy for under resourced forces being asked to do a multitude of tasks, knowing they will be damned whatever they do.

I am quite sure the average Bobby would want to take direct action to deal with these scumbags. That they didn’t must mean something restrained them. None of us know what that was or what the reasoning was. The authorities must have known and must have concluded it was a more complicated issue than some seem to think which needed a comprehensive, long term strategy to bring under control. I am making guesses based on observation. I don’t know any more than anyone else.

Getting angry is easy. Thinking solutions are simple, even easier.

Thinking Y-L is a hero is nuts. He made a bad situation, worse.

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Please enlighten us with your qualifications for making these assertions..

There is ample evidence to suggest you are completely wrong.

We know there have been previous ice ages. Much of our country was shaped by them. So we know natural cooling happens. There are two significant differences in what is happening now. Past cooling occurred over 1000s of years. It was gradual, lasted a long time and took as long to recover. This is happening really fast, by comparison. We know that the only reason that this can be, is that it’s man made.

The second is that before there wasn’t 7 billion of us trying to live here.

Oil is indeed a mineral. Rocks have fractures in them. Gravity works underground just as well as on the surface. Einstein not needed.

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I would have expected better from you than that. You are usually a reasonable poster here. I am not, nor have I ever, defended these criminals. All I have done is to try to give the police and social services a littl e more understanding in the way they were asked to deal with a complicated societal problem. Taking a softly softly approach and trying to find other ways to eradicate what appears to have been a widespread problem looks to have been the strategy..

None of us know. What everyone wanted is for the most effective action to be adopted. With stretched limited resources that’s not easy. Prosecutions have happened. These demand a lot of work by the police for each and every case.

I am not making excuses but rather trying to cut some slack for people who must have thought they were doing the right thing. Policemen are no different to the rest of us. They despise these people and would like to see them all inside.

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You are genuinely fecking deluded, the FBI had no intention if making their search public so they turned up in force fully armed.

You win, there is no arguing with an insane idelogue.

Edited by HKOwen (14 Aug 2022 4.11am)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Under resourced. Labour were in power when it came to light. I don’t think an under resourced police force fits their MO. It was because they were Muslim or non white men. Clear as day it was avoided in the hope it was a case of mistaken identity and racial tensions weren’t stirred up. Even the families never reported on their husbands, brothers, dads etc. the religion came first and white girls second !

There has now been multiple independent reports into the various northern scandals e.g. Rotherham etc. The common thread in the conclusions to these reports are that the police, social services, councils and local politicians chose to ignore the many warnings.

I am not aware of a defence that the police had a plan I think that is wishful thinking on your part.

One more point