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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 10.42pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Surely the point is that would any organisation want a person in a senior high profile position whose judgement is such that he indulges in the activities that he has. It doesn't really matter whether he has committed an actual crime on not, the damage he has done to the organisation's reputation is enough to warrent his dismissal. True and I expect that to be written into contracts. Balanced against it is the duty of care every employer has to its staff and when someone has mental health issues I suspect the waters get muddy. Much better to handle things quietly and away from public scrutiny but that becomes impossible when it’s the BBC.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 10.58pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I just thought there was perhaps some reasoning and debate possible. The Saville enquiries and the fact that the BBC is a public service organisation have obviously passed him by. I thought the whole reason people defend the BBC is it's public service status, but it must simply be that it's anti Trump and anti Brexit if these opinions are anything to go by. I thought I made decent points but was obviously completely wrong. Judge, jury and executioner appointed. I also saw Teddy Eagle was treated with the same contempt when pointing out simple facts with evidence so there's obviously a reason. The BBC is not just a “public service organisation” though, is it? It’s very much more than that. It’s a unique window into the UK and a bastion of freedom from government control of the information that the public sees. It is not anti Trump, anti Brexit or anti anything else. It is pro truth and pro objectivity. That in being so means some people find their own biases challenged is just the way it is. Teddy no more put out any facts than you did. You both repeated populist innuendo and assertions. I am sorry if you believe that means I am treating you with contempt. I am not. I just think you are wrong. Welcome to the party by the way. Contempt is a common reaction to my comments.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 13 Jul 23 11.42pm | |
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Is interesting reading some of the views on here and I mean that genuinely. At risk of slings and arrows I like the BBC, have news, sports and weather apps on my phone and use all frequently. I must say much of the ire and contempt I see for it as well as some defence is often quite obviously driven by subjectivity, political in this instance. Personally, with no assertion I am correct, I do see the BBC as being the victim of numerous of its own employees as opposed to this representing some sort of culture and/or the organisation itself, with ol’ Huw the latest example. Such a massive organisation which even reports its own ‘news’ and therefore scandal, within the field it operates, is almost inevitably going to have some wrongdoing within. It is almost reminiscent of the NHS for me, yes there’ll be plenty wrong and it is important to scrutinise it and hold it to account where necessary however we should all be extremely grateful for the service provided. I disagree however on it becoming redundant or out of date, it’s a terrifying thing to imagine the likes of Twitter becoming the main source of news, it needs to be kept just to combat that proposed eventuality. As for Huw Edwards, the mere mentioning of ‘no illegality’ is both bizarre and bonkers. On any moral or objective analysis scale it’s awful and his mental health is a separate matter. It may factor into thinking however should not cloud the narrative in condemning his behaviour. Even more shameful to use mental health issues as a tool for excusing or mitigating commentary and judgment on this kind of behaviour. It’s a bit like saying I have no legal recourse to remove Garth Crooks from any football musing or commentary whatsoever, doesn’t mean his continued digs at Palace are acceptable however.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 13 Jul 23 11.51pm | |
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My favourite BBC moment ? All the current affairs programmes on the morning of the Brexit results.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 13 Jul 23 11.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You most surely do have “skin in the game”. The right hate the BBC because it isn’t on their side like most media seems to be. It isn’t on any side. It is a unique organisation which is of immense value to our country on many levels. It holds everyone to account without fear or favour and we must never throw that away. How it handles internal matters is for the Board and DG to determine. Our only concern is to be confident that those appointed to those roles are competent and there are structures in place to ensure that. I don’t work for the BBC and never have. I just appreciate it. I do have an old friend who did who became the executive director of one of the biggest programmes so learned from him what great lengths they go to to maintain standards. This idea that because they are not commercially funded means we have a right to control pay and conditions is completely nonsensical. They need to compete for the best and we need to allow management to determine that. Sure there have been very well publicised problems. Publicised because it’s the BBC. Of course there have been investigations, reports and lessons learned but nothing fundamentally wrong has ever been shown to exist, despite all the innuendo. There have never been any cover ups. Quite the reverse. The BBC are often very hard on themselves. You don’t value the BBC. Fine, don’t watch it. The country as a whole does and regards its benefits as something we all share and therefore must pay for. I hope, and expect, that to remain the case for a very long time. Any political party who undertakes a dismantling of the BBC loses my vote. It’s a red line that must never be crossed. You have no idea what the country as a whole thinks, simply your opinion, not a fact
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HKOwen Hong Kong 13 Jul 23 11.54pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
My favourite BBC moment ? All the current affairs programmes on the morning of the Brexit results.
That was a golden TV moment, never gets old, shame, they managed to take an unassailable position and completely mess it up
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Teddy Eagle 14 Jul 23 12.48am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The BBC is not just a “public service organisation” though, is it? It’s very much more than that. It’s a unique window into the UK and a bastion of freedom from government control of the information that the public sees. It is not anti Trump, anti Brexit or anti anything else. It is pro truth and pro objectivity. That in being so means some people find their own biases challenged is just the way it is. Teddy no more put out any facts than you did. You both repeated populist innuendo and assertions. I am sorry if you believe that means I am treating you with contempt. I am not. I just think you are wrong. Welcome to the party by the way. Contempt is a common reaction to my comments. At least I posted to links to back up my assertions. Where is the evidence for yours?
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Stirlingsays 14 Jul 23 2.28am | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
As for Huw Edwards, the mere mentioning of ‘no illegality’ is both bizarre and bonkers. On any moral or objective analysis scale it’s awful and his mental health is a separate matter. It may factor into thinking however should not cloud the narrative in condemning his behaviour. Even more shameful to use mental health issues as a tool for excusing or mitigating commentary and judgment on this kind of behaviour. It’s a bit like saying I have no legal recourse to remove Garth Crooks from any football musing or commentary whatsoever, doesn’t mean his continued digs at Palace are acceptable however. Aren't you aware Nick, everyone knows that being depressed makes you incredibly horny. It's why they called it the Great Depression.....everybody got hard ons as they got laid off. Some even jumped for Joy....I just hope she got out of the way in time. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2023 2.28am)
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Teddy Eagle 14 Jul 23 6.04am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Aren't you aware Nick, everyone knows that being depressed makes you incredibly horny. It's why they called it the Great Depression.....everybody got hard ons as they got laid off. Some even jumped for Joy....I just hope she got out of the way in time. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2023 2.28am)
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Stirlingsays 14 Jul 23 6.13am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Gaye Joy. It was meant to be.
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georgenorman 14 Jul 23 6.14am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The BBC is not just a “public service organisation” though, is it? It’s very much more than that. It’s a unique window into the UK and a bastion of freedom from government control of the information that the public sees. It is not anti Trump, anti Brexit or anti anything else. It is pro truth and pro objectivity. That in being so means some people find their own biases challenged is just the way it is. Teddy no more put out any facts than you did. You both repeated populist innuendo and assertions. I am sorry if you believe that means I am treating you with contempt. I am not. I just think you are wrong. Welcome to the party by the way. Contempt is a common reaction to my comments. That sentence is beyond satire.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 14 Jul 23 6.29am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Aren't you aware Nick, everyone knows that being depressed makes you incredibly horny. It's why they called it the Great Depression.....everybody got hard ons as they got laid off. Some even jumped for Joy....I just hope she got out of the way in time. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jul 2023 2.28am) It’s a similar scenario to when I was diagnosed with anxiety and suddenly the reasoning behind my walking into several banks, post offices and bookies with a sawn-off shotgun became all too clear. As opposed to being arrested I asked the police for privacy at that most difficult time. Unless his depression caused a psychotic episode where he mistook himself for Phillip Schofield, it has nothing to do with the price of fish.
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