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 ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 Dec 20 2.47pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You are of course correct mate, as is SW. On some level we are all indoctrinated however there is a noticeable difference between those who mostly base their beliefs upon reason and those who mostly base them upon empathy. When something is believed for emotional reasons it's not really changeable as it involves the ego. Someone might alter their view over time but very rarely over the course of a few discussions. The politics section of any site is going to be a battleground of the culture war between authoritarianism/libertarianism/left/right and all the variations in between. It's utterly pointless politically of course and we would be deluding ourselves to claim anything different. Still, many activities we engage have little point outside of earning money....and I liked the justification that JamieMartin once gave (if I remember correctly) and which I'd also agree with. Argumentation has a cognitive value plus you get spelling and typing practice of course. I've totally changed my views over the last few years. Since Brexit anyway. I guess I need re-education.
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Stirlingsays  14 Dec 20 2.54pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I've totally changed my views over the last few years. Since Brexit anyway. I guess I need re-education. Mine have certainly evolved to be more on the right since around 2016. Though I think those changes were more in response to changes in society rather than actual discussions. What tends to happen as you get older is that you become ever more certain of your own positions and they deepen if anything......people rarely more from left to right or vice versa once they are in their thirties or older. Not that there is really any objective truth about most political positions....it's just that you know yourself better and know what works for you.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 14 Dec 20 2.56pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Indocrination is not exclusive to the left. Otherwise, I totally agree Of course not, but the current zeitgeist is being propelled by left/liberal propaganda.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 14 Dec 20 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You are of course correct mate, as is SW. On some level we are all indoctrinated however there is a noticeable difference between those who mostly base their beliefs upon reason and those who mostly base them upon empathy. When something is believed for emotional reasons it's not really changeable as it involves the ego. Someone might alter their view over time but very rarely over the course of a few discussions. This empathy reality is found on both sides of politics (if more so with progressives) However, I'm happy to discuss pretty much anything with any fair actor from whatever belief system they have: Ideas are a marketplace and unless you're promoting killing people talking...even where you differ, is always better. The politics section of any site is going to be a battleground of the culture war between authoritarianism/libertarianism/left/right and all the variations in between. It's utterly pointless politically of course and we would be deluding ourselves to claim anything different. Still, many activities we engage in most have little point unless they earn you money.....People do what they enjoy or occupies their minds....I liked the justification that JamieMartin once gave (if I remember correctly) and which I'd also agree with. Argumentation has a cognitive value plus you get spelling and typing practice. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Dec 2020 2.47pm) Well Jamie was no fool for sure. I am all for discourse and debate but I really feel like engaging with certain people is not worth the effort.
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| Stirlingsays 14 Dec 20 3.13pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Well Jamie was no fool for sure. I am all for discourse and debate but I really feel like engaging with certain people is not worth the effort.
Mine was atrociously atrocious back in the day.
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BlueJay  UK 14 Dec 20 4.10pm |
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‘Credible threats of violence’ force Michigan officials to close government buildings ahead of electoral college vote - [Link]
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| cryrst The garden of England 14 Dec 20 5.04pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
‘Credible threats of violence’ force Michigan officials to close government buildings ahead of electoral college vote - [Link] Shame they wernt so on the ball when antifa and blm threatened violence on whole cities.
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| W12 14 Dec 20 5.17pm | |
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This is not going away, if Biden is inaugurated in January then half the electorate know their vote does not matter. The only solution then would be to seek recourse in a more direct way. Sometimes that's the only solution.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 20 5.25pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Of course not, but the current zeitgeist is being propelled by left/liberal propaganda. I would be interested to know what your definition of communism is because I don't see much around anywhere these days.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 20 5.30pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Shame they wernt so on the ball when antifa and blm threatened violence on whole cities. Maybe because there weren't any, or that those that were heard didn't seem credible? From all I know non of the violence was actually organised and pre-determined. It seems it was either rogue actors seeking to discredit or people taking advantage to loot.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 20 5.33pm |
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Originally posted by W12
This is not going away, if Biden is inaugurated in January then half the electorate know their vote does not matter. The only solution then would be to seek recourse in a more direct way. Sometimes that's the only solution. Are you serious? All votes matter in a democracy. Unless you actually believe that there was fraud those that were in the minority have to accept the result and then find legal, peaceful ways of continuing to make their case. Or do you not believe in democracy?
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| W12 14 Dec 20 5.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I would be interested to know what your definition of communism is because I don't see much around anywhere these days. They now call it "stakeholder capitalism" or "inclusive capitalism". Because you can trust the likes of the Rothschild's and the Rockefellers to to what's best for you.
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