This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
Jeremy Corbyn
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In
  Hrolf The Ganger  03 Dec 16 2.07pm |
  |
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by legaleagle
Yes,but Maggie went somewhat beyond making "diplomatic noises" to the scumbag in question You have to remember the Falklands and the wider politics involved.
|
|
 Alert a moderator to this post |
  |
| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 03 Dec 16 2.24pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We all know what Corbyn is. No surprise at all that he would praise Castro. That's why he will never be Prime Minister. Lily?
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| matt_himself Matataland 03 Dec 16 2.33pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by legaleagle
Yes,but Maggie went somewhat beyond making "diplomatic noises" to the scumbag in question We could all trot this stuff out. Like the reports that emerged this week of 'statesman' Ken Livingston's aides cheering when 9/11 happened. However, Legal, it displays a lack of depth when debating matters.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| .TUX. 03 Dec 16 2.41pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Better than what? Of course they toe the line, it would be naive to think otherwise, but you are second guessing people who had the bigger picture. I would not be so foolish as to assume I know better. We can all have an opinion but if you think you are qualified to judge the decisions, then that's great. Hardly. I asked why, if they were that good, are we in the same (if not worse!) position than before? A question you've chosen to ignore.
Buy Litecoin. |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Hrolf The Ganger 03 Dec 16 2.47pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by .TUX.
Hardly. I asked why, if they were that good, are we in the same (if not worse!) position than before? A question you've chosen to ignore.
I believe the term is hindsight. Can you be sure that we are worse off? The banking system is not something I can claim to be an expert on.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Dec 16 3.01pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You have to remember the Falklands and the wider politics involved. To an extent, of course by the time we were harbour Pinochet, he was a spent force, with minimal political value to us in terms of global politics. Necessary evils are only as good as their immediate value. In terms of the international political scene, the right decision was to hand him over, and capitalise on that. Dictators may be useful, and occasionally necessary evil, but they don't deserve loyalty and protection when their value has expired.
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Dec 16 3.06pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I believe the term is hindsight. Can you be sure that we are worse off? The banking system is not something I can claim to be an expert on. The UK was in an almost unique historical position, and made the right decision. Not bailing the banks out would have created unknowable and unpredictable consequences, that included catastrophic destruction of the UK economy, and a knock on effect to the world economy. Even in hindsight, the decision to take the predictable outcome, of a financial hit, loss of confidence but with the assurance of stability only the state could provide was the right one. Had those banks gone to the wall it was entirely plausible that their collapse would have hit the banks that didn't need to be bailed out and ripped through the UK financial interests (which is our primary economic generator). The entire economic status of the UK wasn't worth risking. Now some of the decisions around that bail out can be questioned - but not the idea of ensuring an entirely unpredictable and possibly totally devastating outcome didn't occur
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Hrolf The Ganger 03 Dec 16 3.17pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by jamiemartin721
To an extent, of course by the time we were harbour Pinochet, he was a spent force, with minimal political value to us in terms of global politics. Necessary evils are only as good as their immediate value. In terms of the international political scene, the right decision was to hand him over, and capitalise on that. Dictators may be useful, and occasionally necessary evil, but they don't deserve loyalty and protection when their value has expired. You could argue that, but you could also recognise the importance of sending out a message to any potential future allies that you don't abandon them when they are in need. The British do have rather a bad reputation for duplicity.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Hrolf The Ganger 03 Dec 16 3.29pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by jamiemartin721
The UK was in an almost unique historical position, and made the right decision. Not bailing the banks out would have created unknowable and unpredictable consequences, that included catastrophic destruction of the UK economy, and a knock on effect to the world economy. Even in hindsight, the decision to take the predictable outcome, of a financial hit, loss of confidence but with the assurance of stability only the state could provide was the right one. Had those banks gone to the wall it was entirely plausible that their collapse would have hit the banks that didn't need to be bailed out and ripped through the UK financial interests (which is our primary economic generator). The entire economic status of the UK wasn't worth risking. Now some of the decisions around that bail out can be questioned - but not the idea of ensuring an entirely unpredictable and possibly totally devastating outcome didn't occur
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| .TUX. 03 Dec 16 5.27pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I believe the term is hindsight. Can you be sure that we are worse off? The banking system is not something I can claim to be an expert on. Following certain economic patterns and noting the problems they can cause isn't really 'hindsight' tbf.
Buy Litecoin. |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| .TUX. 03 Dec 16 6.16pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by jamiemartin721
The UK was in an almost unique historical position, and made the right decision. Not bailing the banks out would have created unknowable and unpredictable consequences, that included catastrophic destruction of the UK economy, and a knock on effect to the world economy. Even in hindsight, the decision to take the predictable outcome, of a financial hit, loss of confidence but with the assurance of stability only the state could provide was the right one. Had those banks gone to the wall it was entirely plausible that their collapse would have hit the banks that didn't need to be bailed out and ripped through the UK financial interests (which is our primary economic generator). The entire economic status of the UK wasn't worth risking. Now some of the decisions around that bail out can be questioned - but not the idea of ensuring an entirely unpredictable and possibly totally devastating outcome didn't occur Bailing-out the banks was ridiculous and has put us in a worse position than before as they've just carried on from where they left off, but this time on an even bigger scale. But sadly that'll never happen because that's not how 'the system' works.
Buy Litecoin. |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| legaleagle 03 Dec 16 6.52pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You have to remember the Falklands and the wider politics involved. But,then,when it comes to Castro and the wider politics of the Us trying to undermine and topple him for 50 years,you give it nil weight...ho hum...
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
Login / RegisterNew users
Registration is now on our new message board
Existing users
To login with your existing username you will need to convert your account over to the new message board.
Sponsors
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2024 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.