Lot of people talking about what’s best for Ukraine, think you’d better ask them

Whilst I don't disagree with the 'low quality', I also suspect that they are a lot more cynical with it than people give credit for. I am now convinced that it is Johnson, purely based on the fact that it is perhaps the one area of his current political life, in which the polling is not horrendous.

He will do ANYTHING to keep this war going as long as he can. For once, and it causes me to question my sanity, beginning to think that Macron might actually have the better, overall, strategic view on all of this.

I genuinely cannot understand who stands to gain by dragging this war out any longer than it needs to be. Suspect there is a lot of money floating around in the halls of the Ukranian Government with a lot of people getting wealthy on the back of this all along with every chancer in Europe currently on the 'humanitarian' aid bandwagon.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Possible. And Poland, probably the most powerful regional player at the moment, is firmly within the Anglo-Saxon remit.

But Johnson is also more than capable of waging wars if it means he keeps his job.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

I've become increasingly convinced that if they are actually serious about kicking Russia out of the Ukraine then the west needs its own troops and equipment on the ground...its own armies.....it can't be done piecemeal, training foreign troops on equipment on the fly.....it's never going to have the numbers nor expertise in depth.....it's not realistic.

You need armies ready to go, it appears obvious now that Russia have been planning this since Biden came in and were considering it long before that......but the whole idea of a land war is madness anyway.....it's existential and should only be done if Nato countries are invaded (Nato, in my view over expanded).

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jun 2022 9.17am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It's only recently that the mainstream media have been coming to terms with the realities of the battlefield in the Ukraine....while still looking to minimize negatives and hype positives.

They have been reporting absolute dross for months and made emotive and biased predictions that are embarrassing to me as a westerner raised in a different era.

The number of reports that Russia was on its last legs both economically and militarily both in the print and broadcast media contrast with the actual realities occurring in the real world.

It's actually very soviet....If someone had told me the west would become this thirty years ago I just wouldn't have believed it.

It's far better to be accurate than appeal to a reality you prefer...aka propaganda.....For example, the BBC of the past was lauded for being reliant for telling people what was actually happening but I think that's been damaged since they became ideological.

There is no excuse. All the information from the battlefield and economic situations are out there and in my view the mainstream media have failed their publics via omissions and one eyed interpretations from talking heads who talked absolute drivel.

No better than the Russian media itself.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jun 2022 11.57am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Even acknowledging that a war is taking place is Russia is taboo, speaking out against it a swift way to arrest and imprisonment. The Kremlin media narrative by virtue of this cannot even legally provide real world details of this invasion (or 'special military operation') in any meaningful way. While all nations media is inevitably partially skewed in alignment to our national and military action the BBC posts plenty of nuanced articles about the significant oil income of Russia [Link] and Russian successes in this war. Russian TV talks of how Ukraine identity doesn't exist, is 'nazi', and regularly threatens to nuke countries who push back against their provocation. I must have missed that happening in our media...

The BBC is far from perfect , but much of your perception of it and attitude to your country are clearly due to your own weakening allegaince to it due to what you see as its cultural direction (you even stated concerns at Western influence to Ukraines culture, but not Russias at any point - considering multiple high profile Russian sources have stated that any Ukrainians opposing Russias actions and worldview should be wiped out, as should Ukranian identity, that's quite some stance to adopt), and your own stark politics. For it's faults, nobody keyed into reality thinks the situation here is anything as bad as Russia. If you're fed 'truly' ultra skewed emotional led alt-media offal for the most part, of course that's going to be the take home though. That's not to say that of late you've not posted some more objective sources, but ultimately whatever matches the fit for one eyed demographic dislike or aversions seems to be what pulls people back in, and that can be true of far left, as well as far right.