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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 20 Apr 20 10.41am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Most are run by charitable trusts, many set up generations ago by e.g. Churches. Some are run as small businesses by entrepreneurs, often originally doctors. The biggest issue is that Local Authorities can't afford to pay the break-even rate, which in most cases is in the region of £1,000 within London. So private payers have to subsidise. Then we had the increase in minimum wages without any equivalent increases in Local Authority funds. For many that was game over. £1,000 a week in London? I suppose if they’ve gone private their house will have been sold for more before moving in. Actually I did know it was £1,000. Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 Apr 2020 10.51am)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Apr 20 10.43am |
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What’s the usual, average, acceptable number of residents per care worker or member of staff or whatever it is?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Apr 20 10.50am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Most are run by charitable trusts, many set up generations ago by e.g. Churches. Some are run as small businesses by entrepreneurs, often originally doctors. The biggest issue is that Local Authorities can't afford to pay the break-even rate, which in most cases is in the region of £1,000 within London. So private payers have to subsidise. Then we had the increase in minimum wages without any equivalent increases in Local Authority funds. For many that was game over. How many care homes have private residents AND residents funded by Local Authorities?
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cryrst  The garden of England 20 Apr 20 10.54am |
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I checked 2 care home groups on companies house randomly. One is sitting on 3.5 million and one on 8.5 million. No money yeh right. That was random.im not saying some arnt skint I'm saying loads are not but want the begging bowl filled up because the environment allows it.
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| Mapletree Croydon 20 Apr 20 11.50am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
What you mean is I can have an opinion as long as it's yours. Fair enough you are right. Yet again! As I said, you don't get it so I won't engage. You know what is told to you by whichever media you take. I am dealing with life on the ground. Your opinion is almost certainly more valid than mine. FYI, many are charities
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| Mapletree Croydon 20 Apr 20 11.51am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
How many care homes have private residents AND residents funded by Local Authorities? Most other than the Local Authority ones
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| Mapletree Croydon 20 Apr 20 11.58am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
What’s the usual, average, acceptable number of residents per care worker or member of staff or whatever it is? That's complex as it's shift working and people have a variety of needs At a given time up to 3 residents per staff member but usually more. On the other hand some people need 1:1 help. For a small home with 30 residents with Dementia we have 20 Care Assistants, 6 Team Leaders and 3 Domestics. So overall a roughly 1:1 ratio to cover 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
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| cryrst The garden of England 20 Apr 20 12.10pm |
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If the agencies charge so much why not increase the salaries so staff will work full time. Must be cheaper even with sick,holidays and pension etc.
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| Mapletree Croydon 20 Apr 20 12.13pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
£1,000 a week in London? I suppose if they’ve gone private their house will have been sold for more before moving in. Actually I did know it was £1,000. Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 Apr 2020 10.51am) Most have income. The Old Age Pension for a start. But yes, private residents probably pay £1,200 so it isn't necessarily sustainable for many
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| Mapletree Croydon 20 Apr 20 12.14pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
If the agencies charge so much why not increase the salaries so staff will work full time. Must be cheaper even with sick,holidays and pension etc. It is illegal to ask staff to work for 24 hours a day We rarely use agency workers due to the VAT.
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| BlueJay UK 20 Apr 20 12.28pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
It is illegal to ask staff to work for 24 hours a day We rarely use agency workers due to the VAT. You're no doubt far more knowledgeable in this area than I am, but I do have an elderly relative who suffers from dementia and she has live-in help. Considering the gravity of the current situation, I think that the government should've set out guidelines that basically lead to far fewer people going in and out of these buildings. Covid-19 is fast spreading through a very significant number of care homes to devastating effect, so contrary to their intended purpose, they have become unsafe environments for the elderly at this time. If I had an elderly relative in a care home right now, I'd strongly considering removing them.
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| BlueJay UK 20 Apr 20 12.31pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
The care home deaths are very tragic indeed along with all deaths from C19. Testing kits are available to purchase along with PPE for the correct money. Before the hammering I would gently state that lots of care homes are privately run. They take clinical advice from the NHS bodies but operational running and staffing is their responsibility. Why are they limited on PPE when they had the same info at the same time as the government. Why havent or didnt they have a stock of it. Procurement should be part of this operation. Blaming the government for bad info is one thing but blaming them for your own failings is another. Its like running with the hounds and play with the fox. Profit before care in some cases. Yes private and governmental alike it really does look that we were incredibly naive and consequently unprepared for what was winging its way towards us.
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