"Russia tells Lithuania: your citizens will feel the pain over Kaliningrad"

Two weeks ago they were denying the existance of Lithuania, saying it should be merged to Russia. Though they've been saying the same thing for decades of course. A 'Karen' nations words to a NATO country. We don't need a paper bag to breathe into for every hollow threat.

You are conflating two different things but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it's accidental. There is a difference between "society" and the people that rule us and that's really the problem. We are ruled rather than represented. The issue with society is that it is easy to manipulate via culture and media (documentaries like "century of the self" do a good job at explaining how) and we are at the ridiculous stage where we have to believe things that we know deep down to be untrue. e.g. a man can be a woman or we all must have multiple vaccines for a virus that kills at an equivalent rate as the flu.

Most people see an obfuscated world through a screen and what they see and hear is curated by other people.

We Disagree on a few points but agree on what needs to be done with respect to our armed forces.
Sir Patrick Sanders is right to put pressure on Johnson and the Conservatives, if we're going to continue to support Ukraine in this war then we ourselves must be prepared at some point to fight because ultimately that is where this all leads to & right now we simply do not have enough of pretty much everything to make a difference.

The constant reduction in numbers is a National disgrace.
Like I have said before our Military needs to be in a position to deploy 100,000 to 140,000 personnel at short notice into Europe, we were capable of this in the 80's & that is where we must aspire to be again.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (21 Jun 2022 3.54pm)

The mountains are calling & I must go.

Russia issues countless severe threats that it fails to see through . That's as much indicative of what they're all about than anything else really. Also, the tendency to frame Russia's conduct in such a light that excuses it, or removes it from being provocative behaviour ('existential' etc) when compared to the West, ultimately changes little. What would be existential would be a direct attack on Russia. That isn't happening.

If not that their substandard equipment, and Western help, there would essentially be no Ukranian Kyiv to look to, so that's more closely sligned with what would be existential for them. Russia have made it clear, their Kremlin approved media, press and Putin himself that Ukranian identity doesn't exist, and that objection to their 'operation' is by default 'nazi'. It's very easy to criticise what is happening, and blot out what clearly would've happened to Ukraine with no outside help. If anything we have likely secured Ukraines future, and an important more west friendly buffer. If we and others instead tied Ukraines hands by refusing to help them, we'd have emboldened Russia. The same fears would exist no matter their next move, and so there is logic to keeping the battleground where he is.

Logically the best outcome is a peace agreement, but without any western pushback there was zero chance of one ever happening (because why would Russia even need to with little pushback), and with there is 'some' chance. Most things in life are a matter of degrees this way and that, rather than a perfect outcome or a terrible one..

Personally I've made it plain that I regard funding the Ukraine with 50 billion was a huge mistake in lives and leads to the destruction of the Ukraine not only financially but in the hundreds of thousands of lives that are going to be torn up...possibly millions if Russia decide to take it all now.

There was a genuine chance of peace in March but both Biden and mostly Johnson decided upon this path as the western response. The enlargement of this war into a cold war is a major disaster for the world in my view.....We are all going to suffer significantly unless something is done.....pushing Russia to China was just about the most stupid thing I've ever seen politically.

I've said from that start that I think our policy has been wrong and unfortunately it doesn't appear that I've been incorrect. The Ukraine isn't in Nato and none of this needed to happen....but apparently we fight wars outside of alliances now.....rather selectively I might add.

As for the increased threat of nuclear war I'm fed up with even talking about it now....I'll just say that previous generations were far more intelligent about those dangers.

To answer the smears regarding the dissident right....why are we talking about the dissident right in the Ukraine thread?

Telling people that referring to 'globalists' means you're talking about Jews is just another 'hope not hate' interpretation.

Globalists are far from just activist Jewish organisations. They are a movement incorporating both left and right and all nationalities.

Emotionally unstable people don't tend to be the best placed to comment on groups that they don't know aside from propaganda against them. However, they are desperate to dominate the narrative and scare people away from challenging their demographic replacement.

The suggestion that the dissident right hates Jews is no different to saying that the Labour party hates Jews.

The truth of the matter is those people exist but they aren't the majority of Labour nor the dissident right. Again, it's the same as the Labour party when Corbyn led it. The dissident right, like most movements is a smorgasbord of different people with differing takes....some of whom are quite opposed to each other, which is no different to most actual real world groups.

I find being told it's about hating Jews insulting myself as I was principally red pilled by a Jew and the movement contains Jews within it. As evidence to this I'll link to Frame Games Radio, a Jewish attorney who was a significant part of the online dissident right until he was bullied into silence.

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Here's a video that influenced me back in 2016/17 and his series on the diversity industry in America is pretty powerful.

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Because that's what these people do....they can't defeat the arguments so they ensure the arguments are silenced as much as possible and they are willing to go after you financially to do it....that's what happened with him.

If people are interested in the dissident right it's better to actually investigate that movement yourself rather than take opinions from those ideologically biased against them. Most of the actual 'hate' they talk about comes from them....if you follow and read what they write the truth of it becomes pretty apparent, it's mostly projection.

Like being told they have no allegiance to the country....we are literally talking about nationalists....what gets presented can be so absurd it gets comical.

Personally I spend quite a lot of time following AA. Here is his latest video. He was a highly successful academic, half Iranian, half Welsh. Listen to him and see how much he fits the stereotype that some people are so eager to present.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jun 2022 9.15pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Certainly.. it's a good description of most corporations and monied. And as the wealth divide increases it becomes more pronounced.