The problem I have with this is that economic and societal grievances are not racially unique. Most of the posters here will be descended from indentured serfs and peasants. The same is true in America but white working class people are dismissed as “poor white trash” and “rednecks” while their lifestyle and political choices are derided. It appears that your stock of compassion is severely limited.
The “are you black?” argument is pointless. None of us are professional footballers but have no problem discussing those who are with no understanding of the issues they face.

Being able to overcome discrimination yourself, or via the collective efforts of a community, is clearly praiseworthy and desirable. It all depends on the circumstances. Some groups can do it. Some groups need help. No-one should ever be rewarded for laziness but everyone should, so far as is possible, be able to compete on a level playing field. Discrimination and prejudice do exist and to deny it matters is to deny what is obvious. It can be found in many places.

You can argue that it should be ignored as just another hurdle to be overcome, or you can try to make sure that everyone faces the same number of hurdles.

If merit is to be all that matters then removing unfairness is going to help a lot to achieve it.

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Obama was POTUS for 8 years and he inherited a struggling economy from Bush.

Trump has been POTUS for 2 years and he inherited a booming economy from Obama.

Whilst any country's economic performance depends upon much more than just who leads it those simple facts tell you that Trump is lying when claiming credit. The best he can claim is that he hasn't yet messed up what happened under Obama's watch, although in time the increased debt caused by the tax cuts and his trade wars could do just that. That the Fed are refusing to cut interest rates is indicative of their nervousness.

So no, nothing positive at all because of Trump. It's just more snake oil.

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This is the same Obama under whose presidency US national debt increased from 6.3 trillion dollars to 14.4 trillion dollars?
That’s a gusher of snake oil.

Again, you either don't understand my point or refuse to acknowledge it.

We were talking about the black community. And the rise in single mothers there is greatest compared to whites (20% to 70%) due to LBJ. It's nowhere near that for whites with welfare and single motherhood with the dependency on government for welfare. That is the point! The link with the Democrats and black votes. You think it's because blacks adopt a "herd mentality" whatever that means.

I lived in Los Angeles for two years. But you said I can't talk about Trump because I live in the UK. Now you say I can't talk about blacks because I am white. But you can, and not me? And tell me, why do you post about Brexit if you live in the US then? Didn't you criticise Hrolf for 'policing' the boards. You sir, are a big hypocrite.

You accuse others of 'whataboutery' yet bring up benefit system in the UK in this post. Hypocrite.

Edited by Penge Eagle (06 Jun 2019 12.10pm)

Sure on Obama's watch the national debt more than doubled. It was a big recession that needed a big recovery effort.

Trump's actual impact on the national debt won't be known for quite a while yet so any kind of real comparison is impossible. However, it is forecast to rise from the 78% of GDP it is right now to 93% in 10 years time. That's Trump's watch's impact!

Read this:-

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That is the analysis of real economists and not that of a narcissistic liar who believes he knows more about everything than anyone else.

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