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W12 21 Jun 22 8.03am | |
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Imagine have to fight a conventional land war that's primarily about artillery against these guys: Is it just a coincidence that the financial markets are on life support? If all else fails, they take you to war.
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Ouzo Dan Behind you 21 Jun 22 11.05am | |
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Originally posted by W12
Lithuania's railway blockade of Kaliningrad is a very dangerous move. This is a direct provocation to hostilities by the EU and NATO and a further attempt to escalate by the west. At the same time you have this t*** of a general openly calling for a land war which we would fight with our non-existent armoured divisions I assume. I simply do not know how people were convinced that it might be a good idea to fight a war with another nuclear power and that the outcome to that could in any way be a good one. We have no serious people any more. I agree it's a worrying escalation, Russia are assembling triage & refugee centres on the border so they're not f***ing about. Britain's stance with respect to its own military is bothering me a fair bit, were in the process of cutting another 10,000 troops because we have, for years failed to hit recruitment numbers. If Britain is going to take this seriously we need to get back to operation lionheart level of capability & numbers. A pretty tough ask considering half the country either hates Britain or has a deeper sense of loyalty to foreign powers. Poland is the only country that is gearing up for conflict & actually doing a good job of mobilising.
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silvertop Portishead 21 Jun 22 11.25am | |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
I agree it's a worrying escalation, Russia are assembling triage & refugee centres on the border so they're not f***ing about. Britain's stance with respect to its own military is bothering me a fair bit, were in the process of cutting another 10,000 troops because we have, for years failed to hit recruitment numbers. If Britain is going to take this seriously we need to get back to operation lionheart level of capability & numbers. A pretty tough ask considering half the country either hates Britain or has a deeper sense of loyalty to foreign powers. Poland is the only country that is gearing up for conflict & actually doing a good job of mobilising.
The sacred cows in this country are the NHS and state pensions. Mention it to most and you get a rare experience of passioned opinion, especially among the older folk who have a higher propensity to vote. Let the bean counters any where near either and you are out of office. Trouble is, with an aging population, the expense on both rises exponentially. Something has to give or, actually, everything else, including defence. Means test state pensions and introduce far more medical insurance and there will be bigger pieces of pie for other services including defence. Don't and you can blame recruitment methods all you like, but the numbers will not be down because of that.
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BlueJay UK 21 Jun 22 11.36am | |
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Originally posted by W12
Lithuania's railway blockade of Kaliningrad is a very dangerous move. This is a direct provocation to hostilities by the EU and NATO and a further attempt to escalate by the west. At the same time you have this t*** of a general openly calling for a land war which we would fight with our non-existent armoured divisions I assume. I simply do not know how people were convinced that it might be a good idea to fight a war with another nuclear power and that the outcome to that could in any way be a good one. We have no serious people any more. Interesting that Russia can do precisely what they want either without question, or with you remaining in total denial of it, but when any other country acts carries out any action (such as a railway blockade), it's 'very dangerous' and 'direct provocation'. What precisely do you think Russias conduct is? If you don't like the conduct of our country in this situation, or are scared, you're free to carry on as you are on move somewhere else. They'll be no nuclear war as it would involve near total destruction of Russia too so would be entirely self defeating (considering nobody is even attacking Russia). Any leader willing to destroy his own country on a whim hardly operates in a manner that can be bargained with at any point, so you operate on the basis that this isn't the case. Look to how Russia behave, not to the endless stream of threats, nuclear and otherwise, to all of sundry (which of course aren't provocation in your book).
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georgenorman 21 Jun 22 12.25pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
Imagine have to fight a conventional land war that's primarily about artillery against these guys: Is it just a coincidence that the financial markets are on life support? If all else fails, they take you to war. The UK’s prescribed organisations list, that includes the likes of Islamic State, should have the Russian regime added to it. Then you could be prosecuted under section 12 of the Terrorism Act 2000, as was Anjem Choudary was his support of IS.
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W12 21 Jun 22 1.18pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The UK’s prescribed organisations list, that includes the likes of Islamic State, should have the Russian regime added to it. Then you could be prosecuted under section 12 of the Terrorism Act 2000, as was Anjem Choudary was his support of IS. Yeah thanks. I’ve learned over the last couple of years that a lot of people around me that are not who I thought they were and were capable of being gaslighted into acts of incredible cruelty just because they were controlled with fear. You would have me in the Gulag for not wanting a pointless war that has nothing to do with England. No doubt we are heading down this route but be careful what you wish for my friend.
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W12 21 Jun 22 1.32pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Interesting that Russia can do precisely what they want either without question, or with you remaining in total denial of it, but when any other country acts carries out any action (such as a railway blockade), it's 'very dangerous' and 'direct provocation'. What precisely do you think Russias conduct is? If you don't like the conduct of our country in this situation, or are scared, you're free to carry on as you are on move somewhere else. They'll be no nuclear war as it would involve near total destruction of Russia too so would be entirely self defeating (considering nobody is even attacking Russia). Any leader willing to destroy his own country on a whim hardly operates in a manner that can be bargained with at any point, so you operate on the basis that this isn't the case. Look to how Russia behave, not to the endless stream of threats, nuclear and otherwise, to all of sundry (which of course aren't provocation in your book). Why should I move somewhere else. This country is my birthright. I don’t agree with our involvement in this war and you cannot accept that. It’s simply not in our interest to white knight for Ukraine which has obvious and severe issues with corruption and dodgy ideologies should you care to look. Even the BBC did two documentaries on this. Zelenski is a puppet and the country is run by oligarchs that have been attacking ethnic Russians for years. Although I obvious feel for every day Ukranians that are getting slaughtered on a daily basis to no end. Your use of emotional language makes me think you judge things on how they make you feel rather than what‘s actually going on in the real world. That makes you very easy to manipulate.
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BlueJay UK 21 Jun 22 1.53pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
Why should I move somewhere else. This country is my birthright. I was stating an option if you're striken with nuclear fears for the consequences of us arming a beseiged people. And yes, it's the birthright of everyone born here. Black or white, rich or poor.. Also, you don't get to where you are mentally through emotion not being a core part of it. Not specific to you but I'd say, 90% of the alt media sources posted here are staggeringly more one eyed takes on the world than anything those you criticise are reading. It's not at all unusual for links posted on here, whether videos, tweets, news or whatever to come from individuals who clearly operate at racial extremes, or wild conspiracy stuff like car headlights ommiting dangerous radiation and the like. That's removed from emotion is it? Removed from reality certainly. Edited by BlueJay (21 Jun 2022 2.15pm)
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BlueJay UK 21 Jun 22 1.56pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
Yeah thanks. I’ve learned over the last couple of years that a lot of people around me that are not who I thought they were and were capable of being gaslighted into acts of incredible cruelty just because they were controlled with fear. Quote for not wanting a pointless war that has nothing to do with England.
I'm not sure people would criticise anyone for being anti this or any other way. Where the problem lies I think is your subservient, Kremlin aligned attitudes, denial of clear war crimes when presented, view that 'the west' is provoking and Russia not in anything they do, the list goes on.
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W12 21 Jun 22 2.05pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
I'm not sure people would criticise anyone for being anti this or any other way. Where the problem lies I think is your subservient, Kremlin aligned attitudes, denial of clear war crimes when presented, view that 'the west' is provoking and Russia not in anything they do, the list goes on. You just cannot accept a difference between me criticising the current regime in the west (which I see as pretty much a single malign entity) and being a traitor to my own country? The current regime does nothing for me and nothing for the English. If fact we are only viewed by globalists as a problem to be dealt with. I would like to see England free of the influence of these people.
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BlueJay UK 21 Jun 22 2.13pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
You just cannot accept a difference between me criticising the current regime in the west (which I see as pretty much a single malign entity) and being a traitor to my own country? The current regime does nothing for me and nothing for the English. If fact we are only viewed by globalists as a problem to be dealt with. I would like to see England free of the influence of these people. As I say, you clearly have more time for Russia, take their absurd propoganda at face value even when it's provably not true, excuse their abhorrent actions. All while solely accusing the west of provoking, radically undermining the disgusting reality of what the Ukranians are being put through (blaming their neo nazis for it all), the list goes on. So yes clearly your take on the west as a 'single malign entity' warps your view of this conflict, making you lean heavily into propoganda from other nations and impacting attitudes towards your own people. You're hardly going to detach us completely from the rest of the world.. if there is violent provocation from Russia, which where was, it is going to bring about a response. As i said, people can be pro or against war, it doesn't have to come bundled with a reality detached subserviance to another nation, just because you see aspects in their culture and leadership that you'd like in ours. For all our faults, we're not Russia, and you wouldn't be publicly, endlessly stating anti Russian sentiment in Russia. You don't know how good you have it.
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W12 21 Jun 22 2.23pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
As I say, you clearly have more time for Russia, take their absurd propoganda at face value even when it's provably not true, excuse their abhorrent actions. All while solely accusing the west of provoking, radically undermining the disgusting reality of what the Ukranians are being put through (blaming their neo nazis for it all), the list goes on. So yes clearly your take on the west as a 'single malign entity' warps your view of this conflict, making you lean heavily into propoganda from other nations and impacting attitudes towards your own people. You're hardly going to detach us completely from the rest of the world.. if there is violent provocation from Russia, which where was, it is going to bring about a response. As i said, people can be pro or against war, it doesn't have to come bundled with a reality detached subserviance to another nation, just because you see aspects in their culture and leadership that you'd like in ours. For all our faults, we're not Russia, and you wouldn't be publicly, endlessly stating anti Russian sentiment in Russia. You don't know how good you have it.
Honestly I can’t be bothered with any of that as you are not interested in discussing anything factual just throwing around accusations and hyperbolic conclusions. You not listening to a word I’m saying or engaging with it. I’m just the resident “5th columnists” to you and that’s not going to change.
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