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silvertop Portishead 13 Jul 23 10.13am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I live in the real world. One I have travelled in a great deal. I know how our BBC is regarded elsewhere. In only in little pockets of the biased right do they think as you seem to. The BBC is one of our greatest achievements and probably our biggest asset. Those who seek its destruction should read Simon Jordan’s book. At least as far as the cover. I concur, but you're wasting your breath. The BBC has all the failings of any large institution, but we are better with it than not with it. Radios 3, 4, 6 Music, BBC 4, the World Service and a mass of local radio would not exist if it were not this public service. The World Service, in particular, is the envy of the world and respected everywhere it is not jammed. Trouble is, the right of the Tory party hates it and fill the right wing press with negative stories about it which their readers consume like milky tea. Just look at some of the waffle peddled on here. For instance, one poster up the thread attacked the BBC for not broadcasting the U21 Euros. He conveniently forgot that ITV, Sky, BT and Ch4 (until the final) were also not hosting it. He mentioned that they were, however, showing the women's Ashes based on some mythical woke agenda. Again, conflating issues since (as I think I have said at least 3 times on THIS thread) inclusivity etc. is a statutory requirement imposed on both the BBC and Ch 4 under the Equality Act through a derived regulation brought in by...the Tories!! And it's not just here. Remember the withdrawal of the free license for pensioners? This was indirectly imposed by the Tories through fund cutting. The BBC did not want to do it and softened the impact by ensuring those pensioners who were actually poor did not pay (remember, pensioners disposable incomes passed those of the waged many years ago). Yet this did not stop pension groups campaigning, not outside Parliament or the local Tory office, but outside the BBC. Hook, line, sinker. Unlike most of the print press, and much of the broadcast media, the BBC does not recite the Tory message and [gulp] often criticizes them directly. The affrontery! Thatcher hated the fact that it constantly called her policies to account. Surely a function of the Fourth Estate? And again, the attack of bias is rubbish. After a brief honeymoon with Blair the knives were out. Byers, for instance, was practically hounded by them out the door; and let's not mention WMD... That said, the issues on funding, falling numbers and relevance are very important issues and the B.B.C. does face these existential issues as it constantly debates on Radio 4. However, that people conned into believing this right wing anti BBC agenda then construct arguments based on any event to justify that stance says more about them than it does about the BBC.
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georgenorman 13 Jul 23 10.40am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I concur, but you're wasting your breath. The BBC has all the failings of any large institution, but we are better with it than not with it. Radios 3, 4, 6 Music, BBC 4, the World Service and a mass of local radio would not exist if it were not this public service. The World Service, in particular, is the envy of the world and respected everywhere it is not jammed. Trouble is, the right of the Tory party hates it and fill the right wing press with negative stories about it which their readers consume like milky tea. Just look at some of the waffle peddled on here. For instance, one poster up the thread attacked the BBC for not broadcasting the U21 Euros. He conveniently forgot that ITV, Sky, BT and Ch4 (until the final) were also not hosting it. He mentioned that they were, however, showing the women's Ashes based on some mythical woke agenda. Again, conflating issues since (as I think I have said at least 3 times on THIS thread) inclusivity etc. is a statutory requirement imposed on both the BBC and Ch 4 under the Equality Act through a derived regulation brought in by...the Tories!! And it's not just here. Remember the withdrawal of the free license for pensioners? This was indirectly imposed by the Tories through fund cutting. The BBC did not want to do it and softened the impact by ensuring those pensioners who were actually poor did not pay (remember, pensioners disposable incomes passed those of the waged many years ago). Yet this did not stop pension groups campaigning, not outside Parliament or the local Tory office, but outside the BBC. Hook, line, sinker. Unlike most of the print press, and much of the broadcast media, the BBC does not recite the Tory message and [gulp] often criticizes them directly. The affrontery! Thatcher hated the fact that it constantly called her policies to account. Surely a function of the Fourth Estate? And again, the attack of bias is rubbish. After a brief honeymoon with Blair the knives were out. Byers, for instance, was practically hounded by them out the door; and let's not mention WMD... That said, the issues on funding, falling numbers and relevance are very important issues and the B.B.C. does face these existential issues as it constantly debates on Radio 4. However, that people conned into believing this right wing anti BBC agenda then construct arguments based on any event to justify that stance says more about them than it does about the BBC. Let's have a referendum on whether the BBC should have to fund its activities itself or by the present means.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 13 Jul 23 12.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you don’t regard personal knowledge more valuable than tabloid tittle tattle in reaching an opinion then it seems you haven’t reflected on anything, anytime. You go your way. I’ll stick to mine. I reflected a lot, delayed my return for a week and just observed, concluding that some here are not worth bothering with as just examples of society’s fringes. That's makes me almost as depressed as I would be had I spent 35K on a w@nk
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Teddy Eagle 13 Jul 23 12.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It isn’t semantics at all. It’s fact. There is no evidence to support what you claim despite it being a popular idea. The truth is that no action was taken because the seriousness of the behaviour wasn’t either understood or known. Some individuals had noticed things but dismissed them in the cultural climate of the time. I don’t know how old you were when Savile was at his peak but my children grew up watching TOTP and Jim’ll Fix It. He was regarded as odd, but a hero. How is that a fact? He wasn't a hero. He was a DJ and, ironically, a children's entertainer. The BBC with all it's vaunted newsgathering and journalistic capability had no idea? Right. Maintaining no one knew is just continuing the charade.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 13 Jul 23 12.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
How is that a fact? He wasn't a hero. He was a DJ and, ironically, a children's entertainer. The BBC with all it's vaunted newsgathering and journalistic capability had no idea? Right. Maintaining no one knew is just continuing the charade.
John Lydon outed Saville in 1978 and was banned from the BBC
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Teddy Eagle 13 Jul 23 12.18pm | |
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Yes he did.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 13 Jul 23 12.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you don’t regard personal knowledge more valuable than tabloid tittle tattle in reaching an opinion then it seems you haven’t reflected on anything, anytime. You go your way. I’ll stick to mine. I reflected a lot, delayed my return for a week and just observed, concluding that some here are not worth bothering with as just examples of society’s fringes. Passing on purported hearsay is not personal knowledge
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 12.50pm | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I concur, but you're wasting your breath. The BBC has all the failings of any large institution, but we are better with it than not with it. Radios 3, 4, 6 Music, BBC 4, the World Service and a mass of local radio would not exist if it were not this public service. The World Service, in particular, is the envy of the world and respected everywhere it is not jammed. Trouble is, the right of the Tory party hates it and fill the right wing press with negative stories about it which their readers consume like milky tea. Just look at some of the waffle peddled on here. For instance, one poster up the thread attacked the BBC for not broadcasting the U21 Euros. He conveniently forgot that ITV, Sky, BT and Ch4 (until the final) were also not hosting it. He mentioned that they were, however, showing the women's Ashes based on some mythical woke agenda. Again, conflating issues since (as I think I have said at least 3 times on THIS thread) inclusivity etc. is a statutory requirement imposed on both the BBC and Ch 4 under the Equality Act through a derived regulation brought in by...the Tories!! And it's not just here. Remember the withdrawal of the free license for pensioners? This was indirectly imposed by the Tories through fund cutting. The BBC did not want to do it and softened the impact by ensuring those pensioners who were actually poor did not pay (remember, pensioners disposable incomes passed those of the waged many years ago). Yet this did not stop pension groups campaigning, not outside Parliament or the local Tory office, but outside the BBC. Hook, line, sinker. Unlike most of the print press, and much of the broadcast media, the BBC does not recite the Tory message and [gulp] often criticizes them directly. The affrontery! Thatcher hated the fact that it constantly called her policies to account. Surely a function of the Fourth Estate? And again, the attack of bias is rubbish. After a brief honeymoon with Blair the knives were out. Byers, for instance, was practically hounded by them out the door; and let's not mention WMD... That said, the issues on funding, falling numbers and relevance are very important issues and the B.B.C. does face these existential issues as it constantly debates on Radio 4. However, that people conned into believing this right wing anti BBC agenda then construct arguments based on any event to justify that stance says more about them than it does about the BBC. Refreshing to read common sense here. I completely agree with all of it. Especially that the BBC does face threats, which makes it even more important to speak up for its values and importance so we don't allow them to be washed away in a tide of rhetoric.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 12.56pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Passing on purported hearsay is not personal knowledge Whilst I didn't witness the events I have no reason to disbelieve them. The child was ill and did spend time in the hospital. Savile was seen by others parking his Rolls Royce in the garage, getting his folding bike from the boot and riding off to the hospital. After spending some time inside! Perhaps, hopefully, it was all completely innocent but given what we learned later, and the lady concerned, I have my doubts.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 1.01pm | |
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No he didn't. He claimed he was banned from the BBC for saying he wanted to kill him along with lots of others.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Jul 23 1.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Rupert Murdoch was forced by public pressure to close the News of the World, when its “investigative journalism unit” went too far. I wonder if a few at the Sun are now scanning the pages of the Press Gazette? Ironically this time, The Sun's story is in the public interest. If there is a whiff of a cover up in a publicly funded organisation, journalists should be reporting on exactly that. What else were the Sun supposed to do? Your bias is clouding any reason.
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Teddy Eagle 13 Jul 23 1.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No he didn't. He claimed he was banned from the BBC for saying he wanted to kill him along with lots of others. In a film. Not real life.
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