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Spiderman Horsham 13 Jul 23 7.49am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly And this wasn't even an internal inquiry , whistle-blowing, or any official review that uncovered this case. This was The Sun's "investigative journalism unit" probably looking to redress some balance after the phone-tapping cases. Who is going to hold these institutions employees to account ? seemingly not the employer. We , for the moment, are reliant on tit-for-tat media endeavours. And you would hope that nonce behaviour would be brought to account anywhere it was encountered. Perhaps even to Rotherham shopkeepers. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (13 Jul 2023 4.55am) In Maples eyes you are very sad
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Horsham 13 Jul 23 7.49am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

And this wasn't even an internal inquiry , whistle-blowing, or any official review that uncovered this case. This was The Sun's "investigative journalism unit" probably looking to redress some balance after the phone-tapping cases.
Who is going to hold these institutions employees to account ? seemingly not the employer. We , for the moment, are reliant on tit-for-tat media endeavours.
And you would hope that nonce behaviour would be brought to account anywhere it was encountered. Perhaps even to Rotherham shopkeepers.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (13 Jul 2023 4.55am)

In Maples eyes you are very sad

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Spiderman Horsham 13 Jul 23 7.52am
Originally posted by Badger11 I've said on this board many times I was told about Saville back in the 1970s by my cousin who worked for the BBC. It was widely known about within the organisation but people didn't want to look under stones. Or open the lodge door? One of the documentaries shown, after his death, highlighted he hosted regular “coffee mornings” with high ranking police officers.
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Horsham 13 Jul 23 7.52am

Originally posted by Badger11

I've said on this board many times I was told about Saville back in the 1970s by my cousin who worked for the BBC.

It was widely known about within the organisation but people didn't want to look under stones.

Or open the lodge door? One of the documentaries shown, after his death, highlighted he hosted regular “coffee mornings” with high ranking police officers.

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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 13 Jul 23 7.57am
BBC, Britains Biggest Coverups, a public funded instituion that is rotten to the core, like a secret society i have personally known 3 people that have worked for the BBC, one who was the Bar manager at Wood lane for 35 years through the 70s and 80s the stories he told at the time i thought was ridiculous, i dont think that anymore. “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn
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Lanzarote 13 Jul 23 7.57am

BBC, Britains Biggest Coverups, a public funded instituion that is rotten to the core, like a secret society i have personally known 3 people that have worked for the BBC, one who was the Bar manager at Wood lane for 35 years through the 70s and 80s the stories he told at the time i thought was ridiculous, i dont think that anymore.

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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Badger11 Beckenham 13 Jul 23 8.01am
I have a theory about why this type of scandal keeps happening at the BBC. It is down to their culture and how they treat their "stars". They give these people far too much power so they become untouchable within the organisation which means that some of them abuse that position. Why was Huw Edwards treated like a star? Man reads autocue. We have seen through the various sex discrimination claims that far too many presenters at the BBC have been allowed to negotiate their own pay package. Example: Woman presenter I have never heard of presents program I have never heard of in the morning wins case because man I have never heard of who presents another program I have never heard of gets more money. The BBC needs to start treating these people as employees and stop treating them as "stars". Journalists and presenters need to be told you are on the company pay scale if you don't like it.... The BBC employs very few "stars" perhaps Graham Norton people like Lineker need to be told you are an employee not some untouchable god. Until the BBC changes its culture these scandals will continue. One more point
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Beckenham 13 Jul 23 8.01am

I have a theory about why this type of scandal keeps happening at the BBC.

It is down to their culture and how they treat their "stars".

They give these people far too much power so they become untouchable within the organisation which means that some of them abuse that position.

Why was Huw Edwards treated like a star? Man reads autocue.

We have seen through the various sex discrimination claims that far too many presenters at the BBC have been allowed to negotiate their own pay package.

Example: Woman presenter I have never heard of presents program I have never heard of in the morning wins case because man I have never heard of who presents another program I have never heard of gets more money.

The BBC needs to start treating these people as employees and stop treating them as "stars". Journalists and presenters need to be told you are on the company pay scale if you don't like it....

The BBC employs very few "stars" perhaps Graham Norton people like Lineker need to be told you are an employee not some untouchable god.

Until the BBC changes its culture these scandals will continue.

One more point

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georgenorman 13 Jul 23 8.08am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I live in the real world. One I have travelled in a great deal. I know how our BBC is regarded elsewhere. In only in little pockets of the biased right do they think as you seem to. The BBC is one of our greatest achievements and probably our biggest asset. Those who seek its destruction should read Simon Jordan’s book. At least as far as the cover. Let's have a referendum on it then.
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13 Jul 23 8.08am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I live in the real world. One I have travelled in a great deal. I know how our BBC is regarded elsewhere. In only in little pockets of the biased right do they think as you seem to. The BBC is one of our greatest achievements and probably our biggest asset. Those who seek its destruction should read Simon Jordan’s book. At least as far as the cover.

Let's have a referendum on it then.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 8.45am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle As long as the children involved take comfort from this conspiracy of silence. Conspiracies require wilful collaboration between people. There was no suggestion in the report that there was any. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 8.45am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

As long as the children involved take comfort from this conspiracy of silence.

Conspiracies require wilful collaboration between people. There was no suggestion in the report that there was any.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 8.54am
Originally posted by HKOwen Here we go, back to the " I knew Jethro syndrome ". Your much less informed comment I agree with but would not limit it to Hall. Would seem you did not spend much of your leave of absence reflecting, carry on If you don’t regard personal knowledge more valuable than tabloid tittle tattle in reaching an opinion then it seems you haven’t reflected on anything, anytime. You go your way. I’ll stick to mine. I reflected a lot, delayed my return for a week and just observed, concluding that some here are not worth bothering with as just examples of society’s fringes. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 8.54am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Here we go, back to the " I knew Jethro syndrome ". Your much less informed comment I agree with but would not limit it to Hall.

Would seem you did not spend much of your leave of absence reflecting, carry on

If you don’t regard personal knowledge more valuable than tabloid tittle tattle in reaching an opinion then it seems you haven’t reflected on anything, anytime. You go your way. I’ll stick to mine.

I reflected a lot, delayed my return for a week and just observed, concluding that some here are not worth bothering with as just examples of society’s fringes.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 9.09am
Originally posted by Spiderman Or open the lodge door? One of the documentaries shown, after his death, highlighted he hosted regular “coffee mornings” with high ranking police officers. Seen with hindsight it all looks obvious now, but it wasn’t then. His behaviour was dismissed as extrovert, enthusiastic and even refreshing. He duped everyone, including the darling of the right, Thatcher. So chucking mud at some of the duped, like his employer or the police is only scratching the surface. This was a society wide failure involving us all and one which has been realised and addressed. Not yet with perfect results but better than before. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 9.09am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Or open the lodge door? One of the documentaries shown, after his death, highlighted he hosted regular “coffee mornings” with high ranking police officers.

Seen with hindsight it all looks obvious now, but it wasn’t then. His behaviour was dismissed as extrovert, enthusiastic and even refreshing. He duped everyone, including the darling of the right, Thatcher.

So chucking mud at some of the duped, like his employer or the police is only scratching the surface. This was a society wide failure involving us all and one which has been realised and addressed. Not yet with perfect results but better than before.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 9.18am
Originally posted by Badger11 I have a theory about why this type of scandal keeps happening at the BBC. It is down to their culture and how they treat their "stars". They give these people far too much power so they become untouchable within the organisation which means that some of them abuse that position. Why was Huw Edwards treated like a star? Man reads autocue. We have seen through the various sex discrimination claims that far too many presenters at the BBC have been allowed to negotiate their own pay package. Example: Woman presenter I have never heard of presents program I have never heard of in the morning wins case because man I have never heard of who presents another program I have never heard of gets more money. The BBC needs to start treating these people as employees and stop treating them as "stars". Journalists and presenters need to be told you are on the company pay scale if you don't like it.... The BBC employs very few "stars" perhaps Graham Norton people like Lineker need to be told you are an employee not some untouchable god. Until the BBC changes its culture these scandals will continue. Great in theory but not so easy in practice. Whilst the BBC is a public service broadcaster it still exists in a commercial world. If it didn’t pay the going rate or better then anyone half decent would soon jump ship, as many do regularly. I know many here don’t care, or think the BBC presenters are all poor, but clearly they don’t. They believe continuity and familiarity to be important to their viewers and listeners. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 9.18am

Originally posted by Badger11

I have a theory about why this type of scandal keeps happening at the BBC.

It is down to their culture and how they treat their "stars".

They give these people far too much power so they become untouchable within the organisation which means that some of them abuse that position.

Why was Huw Edwards treated like a star? Man reads autocue.

We have seen through the various sex discrimination claims that far too many presenters at the BBC have been allowed to negotiate their own pay package.

The BBC needs to start treating these people as employees and stop treating them as "stars". Journalists and presenters need to be told you are on the company pay scale if you don't like it....

The BBC employs very few "stars" perhaps Graham Norton people like Lineker need to be told you are an employee not some untouchable god.

Until the BBC changes its culture these scandals will continue.

Great in theory but not so easy in practice.

Whilst the BBC is a public service broadcaster it still exists in a commercial world. If it didn’t pay the going rate or better then anyone half decent would soon jump ship, as many do regularly.

I know many here don’t care, or think the BBC presenters are all poor, but clearly they don’t. They believe continuity and familiarity to be important to their viewers and listeners.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 13 Jul 23 9.23am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Conspiracies require wilful collaboration between people. There was no suggestion in the report that there was any. That's just semantics. Decisions were taken not to take action against employees because they were seen as assets. Would the BBC have been as protective of the reputations of messengers or drivers? The victims of these abusers were collateral damage which is unforgivable and the culture of the organisation was and is entirely culpable in enabling that abuse.
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Teddy Eagle

13 Jul 23 9.23am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Conspiracies require wilful collaboration between people. There was no suggestion in the report that there was any.

That's just semantics. Decisions were taken not to take action against employees because they were seen as assets. Would the BBC have been as protective of the reputations of messengers or drivers? The victims of these abusers were collateral damage which is unforgivable and the culture of the organisation was and is entirely culpable in enabling that abuse.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 9.37am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly And this wasn't even an internal inquiry , whistle-blowing, or any official review that uncovered this case. This was The Sun's "investigative journalism unit" probably looking to redress some balance after the phone-tapping cases. Who is going to hold these institutions employees to account ? seemingly not the employer. We , for the moment, are reliant on tit-for-tat media endeavours. And you would hope that nonce behaviour would be brought to account anywhere it was encountered. Perhaps even to Rotherham shopkeepers. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (13 Jul 2023 4.55am) Rupert Murdoch was forced by public pressure to close the News of the World, when its “investigative journalism unit” went too far. I wonder if a few at the Sun are now scanning the pages of the Press Gazette? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 9.37am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (13 Jul 2023 4.55am)

Rupert Murdoch was forced by public pressure to close the News of the World, when its “investigative journalism unit” went too far.

I wonder if a few at the Sun are now scanning the pages of the Press Gazette?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 10.07am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle That's just semantics. Decisions were taken not to take action against employees because they were seen as assets. Would the BBC have been as protective of the reputations of messengers or drivers? The victims of these abusers were collateral damage which is unforgivable and the culture of the organisation was and is entirely culpable in enabling that abuse. It isn’t semantics at all. It’s fact. There is no evidence to support what you claim despite it being a popular idea. The truth is that no action was taken because the seriousness of the behaviour wasn’t either understood or known. Some individuals had noticed things but dismissed them in the cultural climate of the time. I don’t know how old you were when Savile was at his peak but my children grew up watching TOTP and Jim’ll Fix It. He was regarded as odd, but a hero. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 23 10.07am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It isn’t semantics at all. It’s fact. There is no evidence to support what you claim despite it being a popular idea. The truth is that no action was taken because the seriousness of the behaviour wasn’t either understood or known. Some individuals had noticed things but dismissed them in the cultural climate of the time.

I don’t know how old you were when Savile was at his peak but my children grew up watching TOTP and Jim’ll Fix It. He was regarded as odd, but a hero.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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