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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 01 Jun 17 6.27pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

But she didnt believe it was the right way forward a year ago? so what has changed? Either she was deluded a year ago and so isnt right to lead the country, or she was right a year ago and we are really in the dog house!

We had a referendum and Brexit won. As the Prime minister, Teresa May has a duty to make sure the negotiation is in the best interests of the country and a political incentive to follow the will of the majority.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Jun 17 6.32pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Bullying..happy I think Cucking pulled you up on spelling the other day did he not.

You are a bit of a condescending arse sometimes nick,but that seems to be a labour trait.

No it was a chance to get a s***e Bullingdon club joke in.


 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 01 Jun 17 6.34pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

so you believe what some labour people say some of the time? but choose not to when it doesnt suit your cause? nice one hrolf!

I believe that Alan Johnson has know Jeremy Corbyn a long time and sees through his bulls***.
I take it you don't believe Alan Johnson.
So you only believe in Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott presumably. The rest of the Parliamentary Labour party don't. You must be like the hundreds of Communist Party members who joined Labour just to vote for Jeremy as leader.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Jun 17 6.40pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I believe that Alan Johnson has know Jeremy Corbyn a long time and sees through his bulls***.
I take it you don't believe Alan Johnson.
So you only believe in Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott presumably. The rest of the Parliamentary Labour party don't. You must be like the hundreds of Communist Party members who joined Labour just to vote for Jeremy as leader.

Are you being sponsored to use the word communist or something.

Looking at where Corbyn lies on a political continuum, I'd say he was more democratic socialist.
But to some anyone left of Paul Nuttalls of the UKIP's is a commie.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 01 Jun 17 6.43pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Are you being sponsored to use the word communist or something.

Looking at where Corbyn lies on a political continuum, I'd say he was more democratic socialist.
But to some anyone left of Paul Nuttalls of the UKIP's is a commie.

No I think Communist is a more accurate description for a man who is being backed and uncontested by the Communist party and was voted in as leader by many from that party.

 

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Mstrobez Flag 01 Jun 17 7.27pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

No deal is a bad deal

More than that, there is no such thing as "no deal". Supply chains, travel, financial services, visas, transitional arrangements. We will need some sort of rules of engagement with Europe. You can't just cut the UK off and stop any movement of good, services and people. All of these things need some sort of "deal". Falling back on WTO trade deals would be madness. You'd see utter pandemonium up and down the UK in such a situation. People expect to be able to buy tomatoes from Spain in February and a huge list of other produce in addition. The tariffs on such items would make them prohibitively expensive. Add to that the fact that we'd not be able to export our produce to the EU without huge tariffs and the impact would be massively negative.

We need someone committed to working with the EU to get a good deal for both sides not a bunch of posturing bullies.

Of course no deal is a bad deal but in any negotiation you have to be prepared to walk away. That's like rule number one so I don't necessarily disagree with that stance. What doesn't fill me with confidence is her approach to it all. Constantly banging on about it is a very negative and antagonistic way of portraying yourself. Just like "being prepared to walk away" is a quite obvious strategy in negotiaitions, so too is "calling the bluff". If we're not careful the EU will do exactly that before we've even begun. For the record I'm more optimistic than many about our Brexit negotiations for the simple reason that has been widely preached of our mutual interests - I think people largely underestimate grown-ups ability to be rational once the games and pantomime is over. What makes me nervous, though, is a PM who lacks conviction and seems unable to rub people the right way. There is no point us sitting here hurling abuse at the EU and then expecting for negotiations to go our way - that's a similar logic to calling all rich people greedy scum and then expecting them to give the state more money. There are ways to go about things and ways to achieve the outcome you believe is right and contrary to popular belief I think the tories are approaching pretty much everything at the moment in a very chaotic and arrogant manor, appearing quite naive and out of their depth in the process. I'm sure someone will reply to tell me how much of a numpty Corbyn is, but I still haven't been convinced he's half the idiot people make him out yet, he'll need to hurry up or he's getting my vote. My vote goes to the man I've watched over the past couple of years, and my vote goes for a change that we desperately need, even if I'm not 100% convinced the scale of change is achievable - something has to give and we need to start investing in growth and giving people a little bit of a hand who need it. Elections can be divisive old things, but I think at the end of it all, most people want the same thing.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Jun 17 7.27pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No I think Communist is a more accurate description for a man who is being backed and uncontested by the Communist party and was voted in as leader by many from that party.

Left wing candidate backed by very very minor left organisation shocker.

 

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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 01 Jun 17 7.31pm Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

"The BBC insisted they had used polling company ComRes "to recruit an audience that is representative of the country demographically and politically".

They claimed the audience was balanced between "age; gender; ethnicity; socio-economic; party politics; how they voted in EU referendum; and some undecided voters"."

Perhaps the Corbyn supporters were just more vocal? Perhaps people find it risible (hence the laughter) that the Tories say they should be judged on their record on the economy. Perhaps members of the public do think that inequality is too high, public services dangerously underfunded, aren't happy with stagnant wages for most but huge gains for the super rich.

But then again maybe it was all a plot by the BBC to enrage the right wing press and commentators.

There is no evidence that the audience was picked in a biased way. It seems a lot more plausible that the anti-Tory faction in the audience just made more noise. In the last election 11m voted Tory and there are c.52m adults in the UK so 21% of a representative audience would be Tory voters. Not hard to envisage a representative audience being anti-Tory. Even with an increase in vote this time the percentage wouldn't be above 25%.

The BBC has had many complaints about the PRO Corbyn audience and all they would say was We did not pick the people it was done for us and the refused to answer any more questions which is typical of the very biased BBC as everyone knows.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 01 Jun 17 7.57pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Left wing candidate backed by very very minor left organisation shocker.

That must be why so many Communist Party members joined Labour to help Corbyn become leader.
They knew they had a better chance of pushing their Communist agenda with him.

Thanks for clearing that up for any doubters.

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 01 Jun 17 8.03pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I believe that Alan Johnson has know Jeremy Corbyn a long time and sees through his bulls***.
I take it you don't believe Alan Johnson.
So you only believe in Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott presumably. The rest of the Parliamentary Labour party don't. You must be like the hundreds of Communist Party members who joined Labour just to vote for Jeremy as leader.

Idont believe everything alan says hrolf, people , especially politicians, have agendas to further there own career, and im not a dianne fan to be fair, just as im not a cameron, osborne or boris fan, dont dislike theresa but think not facing the questions shows weakness, doesnt bide well for the future, as im assuming she will win, but as for the commy thing im not actually that into politics, first time in 20 years im voting , just think jeremys best for the masses, you disagree, thats democracy!

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 01 Jun 17 8.08pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That must be why so many Communist Party members joined Labour to help Corbyn become leader.
They knew they had a better chance of pushing their Communist agenda with him.

Thanks for clearing that up for any doubters.

You seem to have forgotten the furore about which labour members could vote in the leadership election. You are ill informed. Again.

How many of the hundreds of thousands that joined the Labour Party are commies do you reckon?

Edited by nickgusset (01 Jun 2017 8.15pm)

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 01 Jun 17 8.16pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

You seem to have forgotten the furore about which labour members could vote in the leadership election. You are ill informed. Again.

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Yeah they banned a load of people and Corbyn still won.
It shows how left wing the Labour membership really is and how out of touch with the Parliamentary Party and mainstream opinion it is.

When Communist nut balls are so gushing about Corbyn's victory, it really tells us all we need to know.

 

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