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palace99 Flag New Mills 31 Jan 24 5.43pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I think it's very simplistic to blame Richards for the first goal - Guehi somehow ended up miles out of position tracking McBurnie 20 seconds into the game, and they then had an overload on Richards side to exploit. He could probably have got tighter as Diaz got into the box, but the damage was done when McBurnie took Guehi out of the game with his flick round the corner, and Hamer switched the play.

Look at the still as Hamer hits his pass - if Richards is any wider there, he's got a simple pass to put the central player through on goal, which is far more dangerous - Richards was correct to be narrow, and the bigger question is why we're exposed 3 v 3 20 seconds into a game...

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (31 Jan 2024 4.18pm)

good point, however, when the ball did go left Richards was very slow closing him down, almost allowing him to pick his spot

 

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WJK1960 Flag 31 Jan 24 5.45pm Send a Private Message to WJK1960 Add WJK1960 as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I think it's very simplistic to blame Richards for the first goal - Guehi somehow ended up miles out of position tracking McBurnie 20 seconds into the game, and they then had an overload on Richards side to exploit. He could probably have got tighter as Diaz got into the box, but the damage was done when McBurnie took Guehi out of the game with his flick round the corner, and Hamer switched the play.

Look at the still as Hamer hits his pass - if Richards is any wider there, he's got a simple pass to put the central player through on goal, which is far more dangerous - Richards was correct to be narrow, and the bigger question is why we're exposed 3 v 3 20 seconds into a game...

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (31 Jan 2024 4.18pm)

Great Post. I like everyone else assumed Richards had gone awol when it was Guehi out of position. Didn't Brentford score a similar goal against us, a dummy or flick in the first 3 minutes getting our defence out of position and they scored. That time Clyne wasn't close enough to the scorer but I don't recall him getting the stick that Richards, and by implication, the manager for picking him, has received on these pages.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 31 Jan 24 5.58pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Agree on Hughes - he's not perfect and probably not good enough against better sides, but he was very impactful yesterday I thought.

Absolutely Eze/Olise's understanding is a massive factor in it, and to be clear, allowing your most creative winger space to deliver crosses and ensuring there are bodies in the box when he does, is a really low bar in terms of crediting a manager, but I thought I'd try and offer some balance!

Necessary!

I thought you did so fairly too. I'll always welcome differing perspectives, so long as they're presented as such.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Jan 24 6.39pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

good point, however, when the ball did go left Richards was very slow closing him down, almost allowing him to pick his spot

Brereton Diaz prefers to play off the left and is a powerful runner with the ball.Having watched him a few times I have seen him cutting in from the left on to his favoured right-foot and shooting.Had Richards forced Brereton Diaz on to his left,which I was urging, the outcome would have been different.

Edited by Willo (31 Jan 2024 6.42pm)

 

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Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 31 Jan 24 6.44pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Thought we played really well first half after the early setback and deserved more goals but United (I refuse to call them Sheffield) changed things and made us work harder for opportunities second half. Eze and Olise were magnificent in a pressure game.

No problem with the subs as such but our collective lack of quality and ability to retain the ball once they went off was frightening.

I don't think last night was the time to bring on Franca or Ahamada who've both been very unconvincing IMO. Ozoh did quite well when he came on but took a few minutes to find his feet and play himself into the game.

 

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Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 31 Jan 24 6.55pm Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Brereton Diaz prefers to play off the left and is a powerful runner with the ball.Having watched him a few times I have seen him cutting in from the left on to his favoured right-foot and shooting.Had Richards forced Brereton Diaz on to his left,which I was urging, the outcome would have been different.

Edited by Willo (31 Jan 2024 6.42pm)

Fancy a job as defensive coach?

 

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Kenteagle80 Flag Kent 31 Jan 24 8.11pm Send a Private Message to Kenteagle80 Add Kenteagle80 as a friend

Originally posted by Davepalace707

Fancy a job as defensive coach?

I am going a bit off topic here but talking of coaching, did anyone read kofi balmers interview after joining afc Wimbledon on loan

He credited Vieira with helping develop the younger players. Looking at city scoring the free kick tonight with an excellent training ground move. In the summer I hope whoever comes in (I suspect Steve cooper) has a modern approach to develop our tactics / squad

 

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dg1937 Flag 31 Jan 24 9.06pm Send a Private Message to dg1937 Add dg1937 as a friend

Originally posted by WJK1960

Great Post. I like everyone else assumed Richards had gone awol when it was Guehi out of position. Didn't Brentford score a similar goal against us, a dummy or flick in the first 3 minutes getting our defence out of position and they scored. That time Clyne wasn't close enough to the scorer but I don't recall him getting the stick that Richards, and by implication, the manager for picking him, has received on these pages.

I agree, the photo was very illuminating. Richards’ original positioning is more understandable now, but he was slow to get out to his man. As has been said, an awful goal to concede at any time let alone in the first minute.

 

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palace99 Flag New Mills 31 Jan 24 11.28pm

Originally posted by JRW2

This discussion is far too sophisticated for me to get involved, but I nevertheless feel confident in asserting that it is not the duty of the manager to do what the fans want.

My point was, as I suspect you know, that there is so much Roy hatred at the moment that he was criticised for not making a change, and now is being criticised for making that said change.

I'm no Roy lover but at times the abuse is OTT

 

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palace99 Flag New Mills 31 Jan 24 11.29pm

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

Thought we played really well first half after the early setback and deserved more goals but United (I refuse to call them Sheffield) changed things and made us work harder for opportunities second half. Eze and Olise were magnificent in a pressure game.

No problem with the subs as such but our collective lack of quality and ability to retain the ball once they went off was frightening.

I don't think last night was the time to bring on Franca or Ahamada who've both been very unconvincing IMO. Ozoh did quite well when he came on but took a few minutes to find his feet and play himself into the game.

A good, balanced post

 

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CT Charlie Flag 01 Feb 24 1.56am Send a Private Message to CT Charlie Add CT Charlie as a friend

Guehi and Richards share responsibility for the first goal, but there was more to it. At that point in the game, the midfielders weren't in play, so Richards ended up in a 1-v-1 in a lonely position with space all around. Still, most of the credit goes to BBD for a exceptionally clean cut and wonderful strike.

Guehi also wasn't in top form defending Sheffield's second goal, and his belated toe deflection probably made the difference between a routine save and a goal. Andersen gave a sour look, whether at Guehi's or Henderson's play, or our bad luck, I couldn't be sure.

Oh – and please start Johnstone, Roy.

Edited by CT Charlie (01 Feb 2024 5.36am)

Edited by CT Charlie (01 Feb 2024 4.15pm)

 

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Dubai Eagle Flag 01 Feb 24 5.47am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

Sheff UTD -

Originally posted by CT Charlie

Guehi and Richards share responsibility for the first goal, but there was more to it. At that point in the game, the midfielders weren't in play, so Richards ended up in a 1-v-1 in a lonely position with space all around. Still, most of the credit goes to BBD for a exceptionally clean cut and wonderful strike.

Guehi also wasn't in top form defending Forest's second goal, and his belated toe deflection probably made the difference between a routine save and a goal. Andersen gave a sour look, whether at Guehi's or Henderson's play, or our bad luck, I couldn't be sure.

Oh – and please start Johnstone, Roy.

Edited by CT Charlie (01 Feb 2024 5.36am)

 

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