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Elpis Flag In a pub 05 Feb 24 2.33pm Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

Originally posted by Sansbup

There's usually one club that hits dreadful form in February and plummets.

I guess 2024 is our year.

There's usually one club that hits form in the run in and pulls away from the relegation scrap their fans thought was going to be a near thing .
Will make a change from playing dead rubbers in March /April


Edited by Elpis (05 Feb 2024 2.34pm)

 

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PatrickA Flag London 05 Feb 24 2.36pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

That old chestnut.
Why not be aspirational like Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton.
Traditional lower division clubs who dared to dream and had a strong vision to rise above their lowly status.
Not just a vision, but a proper calculated plan too.
Will there ever be a time when Charlton is not held up
as an example why Palace fans should not look for improvement?


Originally posted by m/k mick

Be careful what you wish for, Charlton?..anyone
Stop the negativity, and support what we have, from being known as great supporters we now have several bed wetters

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Feb 24 2.39pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

I’m honestly not being critical here, but the response exactly encapsulates what I was highlighting in my post.
However, it’s dressed up, and even if valid, they are excuses and they won’t win us future points.
You approach a game looking at what you have got ,not bemoaning what you haven’t got;that’s a pretty futile exercise.

With respect I don't believe we can 'Airbrush' extenuating circumstances, one can present them for consideration and debate whilst of course recognising the challenges we face at the present time.

One might state "Excuses", others might view them as "Reasons" etc etc.In the final analysis we are where we are and let us hope that our key players play a pivotal part to the end of the season.

Edited by Willo (05 Feb 2024 2.44pm)

 

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PatrickA Flag London 05 Feb 24 2.45pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Will these 'reasons' help us win games going forward?
Or are they more likely to be used to justify bad results and performances?
I call it finding reasons to fail.

Originally posted by Willo

With respect I don't believe we can 'Airbrush' extenuating circumstances, one can present them for consideration and debate whilst of course recognising the challenges we face at the present time.
One might state "Excuses", others might view them as "Reasons" etc etc.

 

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SurbsEagle Flag 05 Feb 24 2.51pm Send a Private Message to SurbsEagle Add SurbsEagle as a friend

I personally don't believe Parish wants to sack Roy. I think it's a difficult situation for him with a man he considers to be a club legend and he will hold off until the very last chance to sack him.
If he is sounding out other managers, as per the press suggests, then why would anyone want to come in pre Chelsea? Wait until after that game and then you have Everton away and Burnley at home, 2 much more winnable fixtures and with Eze, Olise and Guehi all closer to fitness. We will be a more attractive prospect then.

There's a few comments of bad luck for Roy, given the injuries to key players but I don't buy this. Roy should be sacked because anyone who has any experience in football can see that this season Schlupp is nowhere near it and should not be on the pitch as much as he is, regardless of injuries. Will Hughes is never a number 10. Joel Ward is an accident waiting to happen at RB. Not playing Franca, Ahamada, Rak-Sakyi (when fit) or Ozoh enough. Bringing on young players at 2-0 down and then criticising them afterwards saying they aren't ready. Telling the fans we are lucky to have what we have and should be grateful for the dross football we have to sit through week in/week out.

I love Roy and what he has achieved at this club but we are sleep walking to relegation. Roy Hodgson should be a part of Crystal Palace's story but at the moment, Crystal Palace is part of Roy Hodgson's story and that HAS to change.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 05 Feb 24 2.51pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

There are always extenuating circumstances for every club and I accept that injuries are part and parcel of football.

When such key quality players are unavailable for long periods it can have a devastating effect.Clubs are not too adversely affected if they have large squads and players that are not pivotal to their success are absent.

One can accuse me of making "Excuses", to my mind I am merely stating what I believe has been damaging to our team this season and could continue to have an adverse affect on our results.
Every club can analyse their seasons and draw conclusions.

Edited by Willo (05 Feb 2024 2.15pm)

No doubt.

One might ask however if this should be fatal to our club and if it was/is unavoidable? Many will argue not.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Feb 24 2.51pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Will these 'reasons' help us win games going forward?
Or are they more likely to be used to justify bad results and performances?
I call it finding reasons to fail.

In my humble estimation whether we win a significant amount of games going forward will be dependant on our key players on the field on a regular basis.

We will all have 'reasons' as to why we in our current plight, some will aim their animus at Mr Hodgson,some at the Board/Parish, some a combination of both.
I for one will not gallivant down the path of apportioning culpability towards the manager or the hierarchy, I will leave that debate to others and peruse with interest !

Edited by Willo (05 Feb 2024 3.05pm)

 

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SurbsEagle Flag 05 Feb 24 2.58pm Send a Private Message to SurbsEagle Add SurbsEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

In my humble estimation whether we win a significant amount of games going forward will be dependant on our key players on the field on a regular basis.

We will all have 'reasons' as to why we in our current plight, some will aim their animus at Mr Hodgson,some at the Board/Parish, some a combination of both.
I for one will not gallivant down the path of apportioning blame towards the manager or the hierarchy, I will leave that debate to others and peruse with interest !

Ultimately I guess the question is.. With the current squad we have, would another manager that is available now, get us to a better position in the league?
If the answer is yes, Roy needs to go. Speaking of the past is irrelevant as we can't do anything to change that, we can only focus on the future.

 

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Mr.G Flag 05 Feb 24 3.00pm Send a Private Message to Mr.G Add Mr.G as a friend

What makes Hodgson a ‘club legend’??? He has developed nobody, given us dire football but kept us in the Prem a couple times. SFW

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Feb 24 3.18pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by SurbsEagle

Ultimately I guess the question is.. With the current squad we have, would another manager that is available now, get us to a better position in the league?
If the answer is yes, Roy needs to go. Speaking of the past is irrelevant as we can't do anything to change that, we can only focus on the future.

Old creakeys and relics like me are always delving into the past !

I believe the past, in terms of the events this season', is relevant to our current plight.In general,one can learn from past experiences with knowledge that can shape the future.

Edited by Willo (05 Feb 2024 3.19pm)

 

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radicalsteve Flag ottawa 05 Feb 24 3.19pm Send a Private Message to radicalsteve Add radicalsteve as a friend

It is the "perfect storm" for Steve Parish and options look like they are very limited. Hiring a new (proven) manager now, will be very challenging, but you never know. The other option is the one he used last year - would Big Sam be in his mind?

We should remind ourselves that Hodgson failed to keep up Watford, their football was dire and that was when Pedro was in the team. Of course BS also failed at WBA ..... but they had no talent

Edited by radicalsteve (05 Feb 2024 3.21pm)

Edited by radicalsteve (05 Feb 2024 3.23pm)

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Feb 24 3.24pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by radicalsteve

It is the "perfect storm" for Steve Parish and options look like they are very limited. Hiring a new (proven) manager now, will be very challenging, but you never know. The other option is the one he used last year - would Big Sam be in his mind?

We should remind ourselves that Hodgson failed to keep up WBA, their football was dire and that was when Pedro was in the team, now tearing it up for Brighton!

You mean Watford !
Watford were 19th when Mr Hodgson arrived half way through the season and they finished in that position.Watford's relegation was confirmed after they succumbed to a 1-0 defeat at Selhurst Park.
Prior to Mr Hodgson's first game in charge, Watford had lost 7 of their previous 8 matches and were in a bit of a 'Pickle'.

Edited by Willo (05 Feb 2024 3.26pm)

 

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