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 Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Sep 23 11.12am |
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Originally posted by doombear
"Disappointment" is the word that sums up my feelings, especially when I read that Sinisterra has gone on loan to Bournemouth whereas our attempt at a loan for Ekitike was doomed from the start. However, I think you have made a valid point about what we have as the spine of our 1st IX. Let's not forget that the Big boys were genuinely wanting to take most of them away but we refused to sell. Henderson has been told (or seems to think) that we are building something good which is why he wanted to come and fight for the no 1 spot with his good friend Johnstone. What little business we have done has been decent. I've said elsewhere that I wonder whether DF has a list of targets and when they become available at the right price goes for them even if they are not the top priority in the window. We are the polar opposite of Forest who seem to go about hoovering up whatever they can find. I read that PL clubs have spent £2.36 BILLION this window. Our share (excluding add-ons) is £36m so about 1.5%. That says a lot regarding the state of the playing field we're in. But as you say COYP. I'm a little more optimistic than you re tomorrow's game, I think we'll have a narrow win. Yeah agree with all that DB. It is quite infuriating seeing players where you think ‘we could have done with him’ and they end up on loan elsewhere or going for cheap. I’m not sure what the plan actually is however the narrative seems to be that we have billionaire ‘investors’, have a thin squad, several obvious positions that need upgrading in the first team, yet have not made these signings, and once again spent very little comparatively. That all builds into a general feeling of frustration and resentment but I am trying not to play football manager in my own mind and give the club the benefit of the doubt in terms of there being far more factors at play to how I see it all ‘on paper’. You forever live in hope however I am willing to at least buy into the theory that Roy was never going to be given a war chest as he is quite obviously not a long term manager. Let’s hope that perhaps he is being used for a season of relative stability before perhaps some actual investment in team and a new manager appointment for the fabled ‘next level’. COYP
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Midlands Eagle  02 Sep 23 11.20am |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
I'd agree. But do we need a 20m keeper? Utd replaced him with a c.7m player. No. Sam Johnstone is an excellent first choice and we were rumoured to be after Iverson as backup who would have cost us a quarter of what Henderson cost
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Henry of Peckham  Eton Mess 02 Sep 23 11.29am |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Yeah agree with all that DB. It is quite infuriating seeing players where you think ‘we could have done with him’ and they end up on loan elsewhere or going for cheap. I’m not sure what the plan actually is however the narrative seems to be that we have billionaire ‘investors’, have a thin squad, several obvious positions that need upgrading in the first team, yet have not made these signings, and once again spent very little comparatively. That all builds into a general feeling of frustration and resentment but I am trying not to play football manager in my own mind and give the club the benefit of the doubt in terms of there being far more factors at play to how I see it all ‘on paper’. You forever live in hope however I am willing to at least buy into the theory that Roy was never going to be given a war chest as he is quite obviously not a long term manager. Let’s hope that perhaps he is being used for a season of relative stability before perhaps some actual investment in team and a new manager appointment for the fabled ‘next level’. COYP Yes, I also voice my disappointment at our lack of activity in this transfer window. We have some elements of a good squad but it's too thin and needed reinforcing to deliver at the mythical 'next level'. Plod on Palace, hopefully, we're now a decent mid table team - which admittedly, is an improvement on what we used to be but we won't be challenging for Europe nor winning any Cups this season. Edited by Henry of Peckham (02 Sep 2023 11.32am)
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 grumpymort  US/Thailand/UK 02 Sep 23 11.37am |
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SP is running the club this is down to him. He has served the club well but really if we want to advance he needs to leave. We got to get away from this mentality of family club and every one being chummy with chairman that is not a way to run things many ex managers have even commented on this they don't like that (They wont wonder we cant get any good ones or they want to leave) It's shocking how for years we are not bringing in players even on loan to fill in issue areas. Ward/CLyne are past in backup yes but starters other teams must laugh at us I know the fans do. SP is not a good businessman he does a lot of talking but very little follow through (Hes a bit like one of those windows sales men)
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| PZ Eagle Penzance 02 Sep 23 11.37am |
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I suppose finishing above Chelsea doesn't signify progress to a lot of people on here. In fact reading the posts from the regular moaners I don't think finishing above Man City would satisfy them!
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| rikz Croydon 02 Sep 23 11.50am |
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Originally posted by PZ Eagle
I suppose finishing above Chelsea doesn't signify progress to a lot of people on here. In fact reading the posts from the regular moaners I don't think finishing above Man City would satisfy them! What because chelsea had one bad season, we should celebrate ? That has nothing to do with our progress as a club. The same as the fan who was boasting about us doing the double over West ham, who won a European cup, are currently top and in the Europe league.
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 02 Sep 23 12.03pm |
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Originally posted by rikz
What because chelsea had one bad season, we should celebrate ? That has nothing to do with our progress as a club. The same as the fan who was boasting about us doing the double over West ham, who won a European cup, are currently top and in the Europe league. You may be referring to me here, as I posted that in a reply to you. Naturally, you have quoted it out of context. I was not '' boasting '' but merely stating facts. And the actual context was in relation to transfer spend. What part of you fails to understand that not all clubs are, or can be run, in the same way ?
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| rikz Croydon 02 Sep 23 12.25pm |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
You may be referring to me here, as I posted that in a reply to you. Naturally, you have quoted it out of context. I was not '' boasting '' but merely stating facts. And the actual context was in relation to transfer spend. What part of you fails to understand that not all clubs are, or can be run, in the same way ? No but let's just take the stadium as an example. Arsenal have managed it, Tottenham have managed it, west ham have managed it, Brentford have managed it, Fulham have managed it. Wimbledon moved to Milton Keynes, starred again, climbed the football leagues and have managed it. We are still negotiating with Sainsburys.
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 02 Sep 23 1.25pm |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
SP is running the club this is down to him. He has served the club well but really if we want to advance he needs to leave. We got to get away from this mentality of family club and every one being chummy with chairman that is not a way to run things many ex managers have even commented on this they don't like that (They wont wonder we cant get any good ones or they want to leave) It's shocking how for years we are not bringing in players even on loan to fill in issue areas. Ward/CLyne are past in backup yes but starters other teams must laugh at us I know the fans do. SP is not a good businessman he does a lot of talking but very little follow through (Hes a bit like one of those windows sales men) Just for clarity, are you talking about Steve Parish ? You know, the self made millionaire from Forest Hill ?
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 02 Sep 23 1.32pm |
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Originally posted by rikz
No but let's just take the stadium as an example. Arsenal have managed it, Tottenham have managed it, west ham have managed it, Brentford have managed it, Fulham have managed it. Wimbledon moved to Milton Keynes, starred again, climbed the football leagues and have managed it. We are still negotiating with Sainsburys. Maybe if I keep repeating it, this will sink in ; What part of you fails to understand that not all clubs are, or can be run, in the same way ? Are you advocating a move from Selhurst Park ? Because of the clubs you mention, only Fulham have re-developed an existing stadium. And if you bothered to check your facts, ( something it seems you're not too keen on ) you will find that a deal was reported as struck with Sainsburys in December 2022 Edited by NEILLO (02 Sep 2023 1.32pm)
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| Gary St.Andrews Kenley 02 Sep 23 1.51pm |
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You can see what they will be saying on MOTD on Sunday night after the Wolves game. “ If only Palace had bought a striker to put these gilt edged chances away”
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| TheBigToePunt 02 Sep 23 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by rikz
No but let's just take the stadium as an example. Arsenal have managed it, Tottenham have managed it, west ham have managed it, Brentford have managed it, Fulham have managed it. Wimbledon moved to Milton Keynes, starred again, climbed the football leagues and have managed it. We are still negotiating with Sainsburys. Arsenal sold Highbury, a huge development plot in Islington where land values are amongst the highest in the world, in order to build the Emirates. On top of that, the move famously required a debt repayment schedule that rendered the club uncompetitive (relative to previous eras) for 20 years. By the end of that period Arsenal fans were regularly protesting against the ownership and their most successful ever manager. Yes, arsenal built a new stadium, but you fail to mention that it cost them dearly. Spurs have a great ground. Go and ask their fans if its taken the team to a new level, and if they are happy with their clubs transfer spending, ambition etc. They make the moaners on here seem supportive. Brentford have built a ground that holds 10,000 fewer than ours does already. Fair play to them for doing it, but they first announced their intentions to build in 2002, so they are hardly operating at a pace, or producing an end result that we should be envious of. Fulham is a similar story - they proposed a new ground on the same spot over 20 years ago, and the whole project stalled and flopped in the end. They've built a new stand (and have no plans for further significant redevelopment) just to have a capacity fractionally above our current one. West ham were given a free stadium, as everyone knows. We've only owned our ground for a decade. It hadn't had a lick of paint since the mid 90s. I trust the new stand will be built because under the same owners we've done such great things with the training ground and academy, again all from scratch. It's not just a matter of negotiations with sainsburys, as anyone bothered to follow the issues around the planning application knows, but even if it was, do you know what price they've asked for? Unless you do you are, once again, criticising without knowledge.
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