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berlinpalace berlin 05 Mar 23 5.48pm | |
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Mar 23 8.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Bobby216
The journalist is doing her job. If highlighting the chaos, incompetence, manipulation and group think ideology that was at the heart of these decisions that affected all our lives in such a blatant and inhuman way isn't in the public interest i don't know what is.If only more journalists took that view during lockdown and held the government to account perhaps we all could have been let free a little earlier. The journalists going after her are ones like Nick Robinson and Cathy Newman who fully supported the government narative of illiberal and authoritarian policies and want to deflect. We headed down an all too familiar road of justifying evil in the name of doing good. That would only be true if she had uncovered these documents legitimately but even then the newspaper would be still be guilty of titillation by publishing selected extracts out of context. She was given them in confidence, and even signed a non-disclosure agreement. That is disgusting behaviour, whatever the extracts are. I find nothing in them which is particularly surprising. It was a chaotic time, with decisions being taken under great pressure. That some stupid exchanges took place is only to be expected, especially given who was in charge. Short, sharp lockdowns were the preferred answer in most major countries, supported by advice from both the WHO and our own experts. How they were delivered was the job of the politicians. That some disagreed then, and still do now, doesn't mean it was wrong. It just means some disagreed. There are always some who disagree with every policy. It's also true that whilst we all know how difficult the lockdowns were and how economically costly, we don't know what would have happened had we not had them. What we have are a bunch of know-it-alls who think they know. The same group who always know better about everything. We need to wait for the enquiry for a truly objective assessment.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Mar 23 8.18pm | |
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Isn't this the guy whose agent dropped him and many venues cancelled booking because of the racist content of his act? If so it's not someone I would would recommend listening to.
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Teddy Eagle 05 Mar 23 8.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That would only be true if she had uncovered these documents legitimately but even then the newspaper would be still be guilty of titillation by publishing selected extracts out of context. She was given them in confidence, and even signed a non-disclosure agreement. That is disgusting behaviour, whatever the extracts are. I find nothing in them which is particularly surprising. It was a chaotic time, with decisions being taken under great pressure. That some stupid exchanges took place is only to be expected, especially given who was in charge. Short, sharp lockdowns were the preferred answer in most major countries, supported by advice from both the WHO and our own experts. How they were delivered was the job of the politicians. That some disagreed then, and still do now, doesn't mean it was wrong. It just means some disagreed. There are always some who disagree with every policy. It's also true that whilst we all know how difficult the lockdowns were and how economically costly, we don't know what would have happened had we not had them. What we have are a bunch of know-it-alls who think they know. The same group who always know better about everything. We need to wait for the enquiry for a truly objective assessment. We also don't know the long term effects of lockdowns on small businesses, mental health, education or society in general. But as long as there is Brexit to blame for every ill...
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Stirlingsays 05 Mar 23 8.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Isn't this the guy whose agent dropped him and many venues cancelled booking because of the racist content of his act? If so it's not someone I would would recommend listening to. I don't think anyone could have a higher recommendation. It's really the giddy limit that the guy who, when he posts links, tells people not to dismiss the source but to deal with the content, but in fact, does the exact opposite when someone else posts a link. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Mar 2023 8.24pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Mar 23 8.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't think anyone could have a higher recommendation. It's really the giddy limit that the guy who, when he posts links, tells people not to dismiss the source but to deal with the content, but in fact, does the exact opposite when someone else posts a link. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Mar 2023 8.24pm)
I don't post links to content prepared by those who have previously been dropped by their agent, and had bookings cancelled, because of racist content. I post links to reputable, well researched and edited articles. If I advise you, and it's only you, to ignore the source it's because of your prejudices about reputable and reliable media outlets like the BBC.
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Stirlingsays 05 Mar 23 9.00pm | |
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There use to be a saying we were all raised with, 'liars never prosper'. Unfortunately it was never really true. However, it use to be the case that they had to be careful. Now the adults in the room have been replaced by nudge units and an army of activist shills. The truth doesn't so much die in darkness but in a cacophony of unleased, neurotic and narcissistic mental illness. The modern sped up fall of Rome, where the speed of communication means that a century's events now can happen in a generation.
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 05 Mar 23 9.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
There use to be a saying we were all raised with, 'liars never prosper'. Unfortunately it was never really true. However, it use to be the case that they had to be careful. Now the adults in the room have been replaced by nudge units and an army of activist shills. The truth doesn't so much die in darkness but in a cacophony of unleased, neurotic and narcissistic mental illness. The modern sped up fall of Rome, where the speed of communication means that a century's events now can happen in a generation. How true. I still see people wearing surgical style masks, and avoiding others not wearing them, even though they have no benefit whatsoever. They still believe the lie. I said right from the beginning that they were of no use in a viral situation. I even questioned the use of ffp2/n95 mask efficiency for a virus too, but was shouted down by the lockdown advocates. There are reports out now, but as usual, there will be silence from the COVID restrictions aggressors. Cochrane report [Link] Edit: I found an advocate of mask wearing admitting he was wrong on YT [Link] Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (05 Mar 2023 9.26pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Mar 23 9.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That would only be true if she had uncovered these documents legitimately but even then the newspaper would be still be guilty of titillation by publishing selected extracts out of context. She was given them in confidence, and even signed a non-disclosure agreement. That is disgusting behaviour, whatever the extracts are. I find nothing in them which is particularly surprising. It was a chaotic time, with decisions being taken under great pressure. That some stupid exchanges took place is only to be expected, especially given who was in charge. Short, sharp lockdowns were the preferred answer in most major countries, supported by advice from both the WHO and our own experts. How they were delivered was the job of the politicians. That some disagreed then, and still do now, doesn't mean it was wrong. It just means some disagreed. There are always some who disagree with every policy. It's also true that whilst we all know how difficult the lockdowns were and how economically costly, we don't know what would have happened had we not had them. What we have are a bunch of know-it-alls who think they know. The same group who always know better about everything. We need to wait for the enquiry for a truly objective assessment. Why would you assume that it would be objective? It is remarkable how you can suddenly display such naivety on this and yet targeted cynicism on another occasion when it suits. The enquiry is likely to be a whitewash. I say that as someone who supported much of what the government did in the early stages of the pandemic, and would rather see a Tory government overseeing such a crisis than Labour any time. It is ironic that people like yourself who were happy to see the back of Boris Johnson and side with the Remain wing of the Tories now want to defend government policy. It was your kind who have helped Labour to a massive lead in the polls and the prospect of this country going to the dogs even faster than it is now.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Mar 23 9.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
We also don't know the long term effects of lockdowns on small businesses, mental health, education or society in general. But as long as there is Brexit to blame for every ill... We don't, but they can be observed, measured and dealt with. I personally doubt they will be significant. Humans have shown throughout history a remarkable resilience to events much worse than lockdowns. So have businesses. Stresses come and go, some fail, others rise. There are stresses now, unrelated to the pandemic. Or Brexit! Brexit isn't to blame for every ill. It is though for some, and tends to make others worse.
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Teddy Eagle 05 Mar 23 9.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We don't, but they can be observed, measured and dealt with. I personally doubt they will be significant. Humans have shown throughout history a remarkable resilience to events much worse than lockdowns. So have businesses. Stresses come and go, some fail, others rise. There are stresses now, unrelated to the pandemic. Or Brexit! Brexit isn't to blame for every ill. It is though for some, and tends to make others worse. Dealt with? Not much consolation to all the shops and small businesses which have closed. Teachers don't seem so sanguine about the current and future effects on school children.
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georgenorman 05 Mar 23 10.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Isn't this the guy whose agent dropped him and many venues cancelled booking because of the racist content of his act? If so it's not someone I would would recommend listening to. Well, he has had his career severely damaged, like J.K. Rowing and Laurence Fox, for daring to gainsay the authoritarian, witch-hunting, woke establishment, whose views you of course continually champion.
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