Well thought out input that will add positively to the discussion

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

I agree with your comments. Considerable self control is required in order not to respond to some of the total rubbish written on here.

I now think best way is to ignore and the self indulgent, deprived of an audience here may hopefully seek self satisfaction elsewhere.

Yes, but the point you miss is that she wants to cut tax by borrowing so someone else is essentially paying for it. Added to that, you have the Bank of England trying to control inflation by tightening monetary policy and she wants to loosen it by tax cuts. Even to those who are not economic specialists, its obvious something doesn't add up.

No wonder, all the ground work is being done on delay/rolling things back no doubt partly tied in with her political survival.

She has a huge majority. Elections are at least 2 years away. Plenty of time for a policy of growth to reap dividends. And the wider economic picture is not that bad. This is my point.

My, admittedly seeing conspiracy around every corner, mindest just suspects an artificially created sense of panic. The powers that be WANT an election. They WANT Starmer, who is a full-on Washington stooge and who deliberately sabotaged Corybn in 2019, because they want us back in the EU, with a veto by way of scuppering any serious moves by Germany to somehow decide who it buys its gas from.

We are back in the EU within 5 years of Starmer becoming PM. Would stake my life on it. This is the entire point of what we are seeing.

One of the things about the Remain campaign I never truly understood was why they were always so negative about the EU. Because, the idea behind it, at least in principle, is incredible. A single political and financial entity with all that creative and cultural capital, potentially including Russia?

It would become the new global hegemony. And yet all we were told was that yes, the EU was s*** but it was better than being out on our own. A successful EU actually scares the US. Hence why having us in to f*** it up for so long was Washington policy. Why we had Obama sent overhear to interfere.

And we are heading back into it. The Tories know it and want to make sure they can not get the backlash. Labour know it and are more than happy to ride the wave.

And before people say the EU won't have us back, bulls***. Starmer will fight an election with a solid pledge not to take us back into the EU. Within a month of so of him being in number 10, an offer from the EU will be made. Might even offer concessions around open borders and so on. And then we are heading back in with any potential future exit made impossible.

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"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

That figure could well be the tax bracket from about 37 k if they get in. Tax or borrow and the way they have hammered liz truss about borrowing they only have one way to get dough.! Oh and tax one extra home landlords and cars over 5 minutes old .Remember who you vote for!

Just as the Tories need to marginalise the hard right, so does Labour need to marginalise the hard left.

Most of us are in the centre, we are either centre left, or centre right. They who command the centre wins elections. Most of the time anyway. Pesky things like Brexit boredom can overpower normal instinct.

So I think it depends on what you mean by left. Corbyn was seen by most as hard left. Most of us don't trust the potential some Unions have for influencing our MPs. So Starmer is completely correct, in my view, to try to distance the Party from both.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.